Fire alarms must be hard wired?

[MakGras]

Why have you not specified Ei3024's?

Ei3024 are for both heat and CO2. The boiler is in a different room not in the kitchen and there's a CO2 detector there. The oven in the kitchen is induction and oven electric.

Can't agree with that, legislation is not driven by products its driven by experience and circumstance's arising, product are then produced to fit in with the legislation, not the other way around.

Legislations need to be clear and fair. For example interlinked wireless alarms with tamper proof 10 year lithium Ion batteries are accepted/allowed by the Scottish governmentand and they say prefered by home owners , it should apply to everyone, it is not the prerogative of the council to pick and chose which legislation to apply to each person.

Grade D2 for some, Grade F for others etc. I am not an electrician nor do I u fully understand the legislation. But for a surveyor to insist on hard wired alarms while Grade F is accepted is very unfair to me. As simple as that.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Not quite right, the heat and CO detector is the Ei3028, the Ei3024 is a Heat and Smoke detector, when connected to the mains they have a ten year back up battery.

I think the legislation is clear, it's the interpretation br the councils that's skewed.

 

[brianmoooore]

Ei3024 are for both heat and CO2.

Ei 3024 is heat and smoke. Smoke is not CO2, and CO and CO2 are completely different gasses, both dangerous in their own way.

 

[littlespark]

There’s been a number of threads on the new scottish legislation, but I can see the council digging their heels in if you start arguing about using the 10 yr battery units.

 

[Lister1987]

There’s been a number of threads on the new scottish legislation, but I can see the council digging their heels in if you start arguing about using the 10 yr battery units.

If it went to court I can't see councils having a leg to stand on. You just have to prove you're providing the adequate level of protection for the stated grade in 5839-6. PRS/HMO types may have additional licensing requirements but you could challenge so long as you can prove you're providing adequate protection for the grade of system required.

If the council try and insist on a particular implementation (mains & 10year sealed backup Vs just a sealed 10yr unit), they have to provide evidence to support it.

 

[brianmoooore]

Unfortunately, civil law is for those with very deep pockets.

 

[Julie.]

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I think the legislation is clear, it's the interpretation br the councils that's skewed.

This, sort of.

The current regulations are clear and available for free on the Scottish government website.

However, they are current regulations, when the building work was undertaken ~7 years ago, they were not in place at that time.

The inspector may be applying the standards as identified by the warrant at the original time.

There is of course the possibility that he is not up to date with the recent legislation!

To the OP, you could ask him the direct question via email "we expected to adhere to the Scottish government's published legislation in respect of fire and smoke alarms ( Fire and smoke alarms: changes to the law - https://www.gov.scot/publications/fire-and-smoke-alarms-in-scottish-homes/), could you please confirm your instructions that these are not to be followed and instead a wired system is to be installed and the 10 year sealed battery type defined as acceptable in the legislation is not acceptable to you"

Or similar.

Of course this is only really worthwhile if you have indeed used suitable alarms i.e
Not removable battery types etc.


EDIT:
don't forget the Scottish building regulations do actually recommend wired in detectors, but local authorities do have the ability to apply local policies and/or accept variations where a strong and reasonable argument is made.

 

[MakGras]

Not quite right, the heat and CO detector is the Ei3028, the Ei3024 is a Heat and Smoke detector, when connected to the mains they have a ten year back up battery.

I think the legislation is clear, it's the interpretation br the councils that's skewed.

@Mike Johnson @brianmoooore You're both correct my mistake.
@Julie. Sorry I am done with the surveyor.I'll do what he asks and carry on with my life.

 

[Julie.]

@Mike Johnson @brianmoooore You're both correct my mistake.
@Julie. Sorry I am done with the surveyor.I'll do what he asks and carry on with my life.

Which alarms did you have in place?

Eg make, model.

 

[Zerax]

I think the legislation is clear, it's the interpretation br the councils that's skewed.

Agreed... a classic example of this was when schools banned the playing of conkers. The schools (the council) claimed that it was due to H&S regulations... which made no reference to conkers whatsoever. It was actually the risk of someone prosecuting the school should there be an accident that prompted them to ban the traditional school game !