Is it just me?

[Guest77]

Or has the standard of posting lately been not only appalling but screaming out loud "I have no idea what I am talking about", some of the questions are quite frankly disturbing, is this the Electricians forum or the Screwfix Forum?

Have fun.

 

[Silly Sausage]

It'll be the clocks changing, confused a lot of people.

 

[telectrix]

thought you still used sundials in manc. :49:

second thoughts. bloody useless. it's always raining there.

 

[GB.Kayak]

Or has the standard of posting lately been not only appalling but screaming out loud "I have no idea what I am talking about", some of the questions are quite frankly disturbing, is this the Electricians forum or the Screwfix Forum?

Have fun.

Some leave me quite encouraged that I have something to offer ... and that as a ... I am not quite at the 'bottom of the dung heap'!

That said ... I quite agree that even from some supposed 'sparks', the standard is scraping through the bottom of the barrel!

 

[Bobster]

It's worrying how many appalling questions are asked by even arm's members!

 

[Dan]

There's no such thing as a bad question.

Just keep the response professional and I'm sure they'll start to use the search function before asking something similar eventually.

 

[ipf]

Often finding it not worth contributing. To tell the truth, I can't be bothered....and that's nearly as frightening as the general standard.

 

[Clive P]

Hi,

I haven't posted for a while as some of the stuff by qualified sparks is quite shocking!

Regards.

 

[telectrix]

do you mean qualfied sparks or Electrical Trainee's?

 

[Clive P]

Hi,

Both Tel.

Regards.

 

[ipf]

do you mean qualfied sparks or Electrical Trainee's?

.....or cooker installers??

 

[Octopus]

The problem is the numpties now outnumber the skilled and talk about dumbing down............

 

[ImpededLoop]

Hi,

I haven't posted for a while as some of the stuff by qualified sparks is quite shocking!

Likewise, I look in regularly, but I only post where I feel it's useful and recently there's been less decent topics to think about and answer.

do you mean qualfied sparks or Electrical Trainee's?

There's certainly one who I am sure is a Electrical Trainee but says he's a fully qualified spark......

 

[7029 dave]

I might come back into contracting? , no second thoughts no. I have it soooo easy. lol

 

[Dan]

Surely the art is to skilfully correct people without being offensive when you spot them advising incorrectly, rather than just not bother? We all have our off days.

How things are written and how they wanted to write it can often be an issue. Sometimes people mean one thing but as they get typing, it ends up reading totally different to somebody else. So it's always nice to check to see what they meant etc, surely?

 

[Octopus]

Surely the art is to skilfully correct people without being offensive when you spot them advising incorrectly, rather than just not bother? We all have our off days.

How things are written and how they wanted to write it can often be an issue. Sometimes people mean one thing but as they get typing, it ends up reading totally different to somebody else. So it's always nice to check to see what they meant etc, surely?

Problem is Dan, that so often the blind are being led by the blind and when you try and point them in the right direction, the teddies come out of the prams

 

[ian.settle1]

Problem is Dan, that so often the blind are being led by the blind and when you try and point them in the right direction, the teddies come out of the prams

And at times some become abusive when it is pointed out they are wrong

 

[Dan]

If they ever get abusive though, you report it and move on, let the moderators deal with it, right?

 

[Dan]

Here, I've tried to help.

I've added some text to the new thread screen. Take a look and see what you think.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=15

Any suggestions for improvements?

 

[Guest77]

Here, I've tried to help.

I've added some text to the new thread screen. Take a look and see what you think.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=15

Any suggestions for improvements?

Yes this comment is confusing Explain in detail the outcome you are looking for can you remove that bit?

 

[Dan]

Yeah that does read like they already know the answer to what they're asking.



What about now?

 

[Guest77]

Yeah that does read like they already know the answer to what they're asking.



What about now?

Yes looks good Dan.

 

[Dan]

See, I do try.

 

[rapparee]

Problem is Dan, that so often the blind are being led by the blind and when you try and point them in the right direction, the teddies come out of the prams

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. :laugh:

 

[kenny7askew]

it does seem that there is a clique handful of experienced pros on here that have probably heard every question before and experienced every scenario,
whilst i bow to their superior knowledge they do seem a little impatient and a little rude to some posters,i think this puts some people of daring to ask questions.

 

[davesparks]

it does seem that there is a clique handful of experienced pros on here that have probably heard every question before and experienced every scenario,
whilst i bow to their superior knowledge they do seem a little impatient and a little rude to some posters,i think this puts some people of daring to ask questions.

It's the posts which ask the same question every other week that irritate the hell out of people. Coupled with the complete lack of information given in such posts and a lack of effort on the part of the person asking the question it is sure to wind people up.

We so often see an opening post which states that an RCD is tripping but the poster didn't do any testing as they were only having a quick look and didn't take any tools, how on earth is anyone supposed to offer any more helpful advice than to carry out some basic testing?

 

[Geordie Spark]

.....or cooker installers??

and shed wirer uppers and "How do I wire my Bathroom Extractor Fan and PIR Security Light to my Shower?" merchants.

 

[kenny7askew]

It's the posts which ask the same question every other week that irritate the hell out of people. Coupled with the complete lack of information given in such posts and a lack of effort on the part of the person asking the question it is sure to wind people up.

We so often see an opening post which states that an RCD is tripping but the poster didn't do any testing as they were only having a quick look and didn't take any tools, how on earth is anyone supposed to offer any more helpful advice than to carry out some basic testing?

i know its not easy when you've heard it all before and i agree some of the questions could be better formulated.but what is the solution,perhaps it is better to just look away sometimes and not say anything

 

[Des 56]

and shed wirer uppers and "How do I wire my Bathroom Extractor Fan and PIR Security Light to my Shower?" merchants.

"Shed wirer uppers" are better classes of idiots than "extractor fannies"



I suppose its best we stop all this banter,it may be devaluing the thread content quality

 

[micknew]

Could it be that the OP's are DIYers, surely not?

 

[Geordie Spark]

i know its not easy when you've heard it all before and i agree some of the questions could be better formulated.but what is the solution,perhaps it is better to just look away sometimes and not say anything

I just remember the days not that long ago when we had some real quality posters discussing all kinds of technical stuff - a lot of which I never fully understood but enjoyed reading and trying to learn from but they've gone now.

 

[happysteve]

Here, I've tried to help.

I've added some text to the new thread screen. Take a look and see what you think.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=15

Any suggestions for improvements?

I like it

...although this bit sounds a bit ominous:

If you are a new electrician, then say so.
​

Kinda brought this to mind... (with apologies)...



:angel_smile::willy_nilly:

 

[Knobhead]

We so often see an opening post which states that an RCD is tripping but the poster didn't do any testing as they were only having a quick look and didn't take any tools

That is the one that’s guaranteed to get my blood pressure up. I’d be too ashamed to even ask the question without some figures to substantiate the question. By the time I’d got the figures I wouldn’t need to ask the question.

 

[timo1]

To be honest, the repetitive questions are on a par with threads like this, harking back to a time when all questions were interesting and the forum was great etc etc. I really enjoy this forum and I always have. Its been such a great resource but I do agree that people get shot down too quickly in my opinion, and it gives the impression that the forum is grumpy and unhelpful which is not the case at all.

 

[Plonker 3]

The list of things that turn up several times a week

1. Asking for a reg number but dont have a copy to cross reference it too
2. Asking for information that is widely available on the internet or via a phone call to a particular company (e.g. JIB grading)
3. I need a answer that I want to hear even though they are wrong
4. I know what I am doing, but what would you do scenario
5. Im blagging it how do I this

All these are things that get the most responses regarding why are you asking because it seems that these people think we will pander to their every need before they have attempted to put any effort in themselves. Show a little willing in the opening post will get a lot more positive response straight away.

 

[GMES]

It is a difficult one this is, I have been on both sides of the fence on this forum and enjoyed it from both sides.
The only thing I can offer is if you don't like a post or you think the op is a diyer or just out of his depth then hit the report button and move onto a thread that you are happy to help out in. Life is far too short to get stressed out over, I know that can be easier said than done but just report the thread or poster and let us deal with it.
Cheers lads.

 

[Guest77]

It is a difficult one this is, I have been on both sides of the fence on this forum and enjoyed it from both sides.
The only thing I can offer is if you don't like a post or you think the op is a diyer or just out of his depth then hit the report button and move onto a thread that you are happy to help out in. Life is far too short to get stressed out over, I know that can be easier said than done but just report the thread or poster and let us deal with it.
Cheers lads.

Not that easy though Glenn is it? sometimes they need to be told to stop themselves harming themselves or others, and especially as there are people browsing the site looking for information, if it is wrong and they are out of their depth they need to be told, just closing a thread which can still be read will not deter the DIY enthusiasts.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Not that easy though Glenn is it? sometimes they need to be told to stop themselves harming themselves or others, and especially as there are people browsing the site looking for information, if it is wrong and they are out of their depth they need to be told, just closing a thread which can still be read will not deter the DIY enthusiasts.

Mornin' Mark

Are you after nicking Tony's position as the Official Forum Grumpy Git by any chance?? :joker:

 

[Knobhead]

As Mike said, leaving bad advice in a locked thread is dangerous. If the people involved are up in arms over a deleted thread, so be it.

It’s often said about the blind leading the blind on here. When the blind are congratulating each other with “The Following User Says Thank You to ***** For This Useful Post:” it appears to the casual browser the forum endorses the bad advice.

In the event of an accident, attributing legal responsibility is highly unlikely due to having to prove identity but there is a moral responsibility.

 

[GMES]

Not that easy though Glenn is it? sometimes they need to be told to stop themselves harming themselves or others, and especially as there are people browsing the site looking for information, if it is wrong and they are out of their depth they need to be told, just closing a thread which can still be read will not deter the DIY enthusiasts.

Mike I totally get what you're saying you know that, but if you report the poster we can tackle them via pm rather than the thread just descending into chaos.
I didn't mean that I would just close a thread down, what I meant is if a poster is doing something dangerous then let us know about the thread and we can act on it.
Mike you know better than anyone that I like a bit of banter and a good debate but it can be a thin line between that and ripping someone a new one!!
We all want a happy forum where we can debate and talk and joke but not get new posters to the point where they dare not ask a question because that can be equally as dangerous, for me it's got to be safer to try and steer them in the right direction even if that means getting a more experienced guy to help them.
If after you do that they then get abusive towards you then it the report button and they will be dealt with accordingly, has far as I am concerned we are here to fight your corner as well as the new guys.

 

[shanky887614]

As Mike said, leaving bad advice in a locked thread is dangerous. If the people involved are up in arms over a deleted thread, so be it.

It’s often said about the blind leading the blind on here. When the blind are congratulating each other with “The Following User Says Thank You to ***** For This Useful Post:” it appears to the casual browser the forum endorses the bad advice.

In the event of an accident, attributing legal responsibility is highly unlikely due to having to prove identity but there is a moral responsibility.

i know what you are saying tony but if a very bad accident resulting in multiple deaths happend because of advice on here the police could trace it back to the house where the advice was posted from.

this forum will have ip details of certain users when they log in at certain times.

even if there on a dynamic ip address that changes the police can use that ip address and find the origin by going direct to the isp with a time stamped ip address.

i use vpn connections to get around filters but if the goverment were determined they could easily find me but it might take a while if it is a foreign company

 

[Guest77]

Mike I totally get what you're saying you know that, but if you report the poster we can tackle them via pm rather than the thread just descending into chaos.
I didn't mean that I would just close a thread down, what I meant is if a poster is doing something dangerous then let us know about the thread and we can act on it.
Mike you know better than anyone that I like a bit of banter and a good debate but it can be a thin line between that and ripping someone a new one!!
We all want a happy forum where we can debate and talk and joke but not get new posters to the point where they dare not ask a question because that can be equally as dangerous, for me it's got to be safer to try and steer them in the right direction even if that means getting a more experienced guy to help them.
If after you do that they then get abusive towards you then it the report button and they will be dealt with accordingly, has far as I am concerned we are here to fight your corner as well as the new guys.

If you then removed the thread to your staff room and then edited it to remove the bad advice then that would probably be a good idea Glenn rather than just close the threads mate, the PM is fine of course if combined with removal of poor content. I also think the latest craze regarding wiring up garden sheds for Part P evidence needs to be removed from the main forums to the DIY forum straight away.

 

[Geordie Spark]

If you then removed the thread to your staff room and then edited it to remove the bad advice then that would probably be a good idea Glenn rather than just close the threads mate, the PM is fine of course if combined with removal of poor content. I also think the latest craze regarding wiring up garden sheds for Part P evidence needs to be removed from the main forums to the DIY forum straight away.

Howayman Mark. Stop trying to find work for the poor lad.

He's tired after a hard days graft & needs a rest - not like you and me sitting on our arses drinking tea & Creamflow all day! :laugh:

 

[Knobhead]

i know what you are saying tony but if a very bad accident resulting in multiple deaths happend because of advice on here the police could trace it back to the house where the advice was posted from.

this forum will have ip details of certain users when they log in at certain times.

even if there on a dynamic ip address that changes the police can use that ip address and find the origin by going direct to the isp with a time stamped ip address.

i use vpn connections to get around filters but if the goverment were determined they could easily find me but it might take a while if it is a foreign company

I know how it works thank you.

Even the slightest injury due to bad advice places a moral responsibility on all of us, not just the moderators.

 

[Guest77]

Howayman Mark. Stop trying to find work for the poor lad.

He's tired after a hard days graft & needs a rest - not like you and me sitting on our arses drinking tea & Creamflow all day! :laugh:

Hi-Bud, well the creamflow is out I am afraid, the odd Cider now, but I have to go back on the tablets again mid April for 6 months so even that will have to stop.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Hi-Bud, well the creamflow is out I am afraid, the odd Cider now, but I have to go back on the tablets again mid April for 6 months so even that will have to stop.

Oh bugger!

Sorry to hear that marra.

I'm back on the beer - proper stuff in bottles and bought from Sainsburys 3 for £5 - since I finally got some form of a definite diagnosis of my problem! It seems that I had a slight stroke at the time my problems started 18 months back so I've dumped most of the medication I was prescribed for some ailment I never had in the first place and have replaced it with the beer and a few shots of whisky and I'm feeling a lot better!

The medics won't like hearing that but **** them. I've been buggered about by them for long enough.

 

[ian.settle1]

i know what you are saying tony but if a very bad accident resulting in multiple deaths happend because of advice on here the police could trace it back to the house where the advice was posted from.

this forum will have ip details of certain users when they log in at certain times.

even if there on a dynamic ip address that changes the police can use that ip address and find the origin by going direct to the isp with a time stamped ip address.

i use vpn connections to get around filters but if the goverment were determined they could easily find me but it might take a while if it is a foreign company

Looks like I'll have to start bouncing my internet connection around numerous servers in the world so I can't be traced

 

[ian.settle1]

Hi-Bud, well the creamflow is out I am afraid, the odd Cider now, but I have to go back on the tablets again mid April for 6 months so even that will have to stop.

From your avatar picture looks like the pills didn't work last time so why you trying again

 

[Guest77]

From your avatar picture looks like the pills didn't work last time so why you trying again

The consultant has told me I have to, if I don't I will get lost in the system and have to wait months again to get seen, If I follow the advice I get seen every 6 weeks ish so my issues can be controlled, Just playing the system really, oh and my avatar? that isn't me lol

 

[pennychew]

As Mike said, leaving bad advice in a locked thread is dangerous. If the people involved are up in arms over a deleted thread, so be it.

It’s often said about the blind leading the blind on here. When the blind are congratulating each other with “The Following User Says Thank You to ***** For This Useful Post:” it appears to the casual browser the forum endorses the bad advice.

In the event of an accident, attributing legal responsibility is highly unlikely due to having to prove identity but there is a moral responsibility.

Who's Mike?