NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC Partner with Rated People!

[Badged01]

Could be a nice little earner for the councils then, equivalent of the speed ticket! Just need to work out a business plan for all that notifiable work not being notified and set up my own scam on a profit share with the local council to find it ...... just need to involve the taxman to do audits of local electricians and work they've done for checking

 

[Plonker 3]

Well a half day assessment, for £400 every year is hardly value for money is it.

 

[grumpyjohn01]

I think a good idea would be for a group of us to start our own company to rival them.

I'm up for it! a non-profit co-op would be ideal, tell them to stick their logo'd polos where the sun don't shine!

 

[Plonker 3]

just need to involve the taxman to do audits of local electricians and work they've done for checking

Well I would be OK, as I dont issue certs

 

[Zebra Stripe]

Why bother with forgery........what you need is a co-operative of local sparks. Say 10-20-100 local sparks all qualified, make up some company name, register with a scam and notify all the work the 10-20-100 sparks do through this registered name.

 

[grumpyjohn01]

Well I would be OK, as I dont issue certs

or complete a tax return..anarchy!!

 

[2na]

I worked for SEEBOARD, EDF, and Southern Electric. When I was at EDF, they asked me to be the qualified supervisor for the part p inspection. Probably the best 2 hours of my life watching the poor bloke stumble through his questions, knowing full well he had no say in what we did whatsoever.

This is my point, the people that govern this are no better than the rest of us qualified sparks, it is a money making scam that needs to be buried.

The only way it will end is through a revolution.

 

[grumpyjohn01]

Why bother with forgery........what you need is a co-operative of local sparks. Say 10-20-100 local sparks all qualified, make up some company name, register with a scam and notify all the work the 10-20-100 sparks do through this registered name.

I have long thought this a good idea its just getting it off the ground, and why stay just local? such a scheme could operate nationally say via this forum?

 

[2na]

If anyone would like to take this further, lets get our heads together and sort it. Is there any way we can private message on her because I would love to get your emails and start this ASAP.

I just dont want to put my work email on here due to spamming....

 

[grumpyjohn01]

I mean surely its just an admin task for the scams anyway? what is required to set up a scam? must do some research...

 

[Zebra Stripe]

Good thinking, every electrician in the country registered under one name to ELECSA as The Electricians, split the registration fee, have a rolling QS, cos you would only need one, and pay for your own notification....we could also swoop books by scanning them or something....easy

 

[2na]

And I will say now, I would be willing to pay the start up costs just to see an end this horror show.

 

[grumpyjohn01]

If anyone would like to take this further, lets get our heads together and sort it. Is there any way we can private message on her because I would love to get your emails and start this ASAP.

I just dont want to put my work email on here due to spamming....

put me down, it really can't be that hard can it?

 

[Badged01]

Well I would be OK, as I dont issue certs

You would be squirming in front of the tax man explaining what you've done for your money and where! Or why you can live without any money ..... :smile5:

 

[NickD]

We are delighted to announce that NICEIC have partnered with Rated People to offer you a one month free trial, helping you find work all year round.

Marketing bullcrap. Rated People do a free one month membership for anyone plus £50 to spend on leads.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

From their email this morning:

We are delighted to announce that NICEIC have partnered with Rated People to offer you a one month free trial, helping you find work all year round.

What a dark day.

yeah seen it...

so one scam handshakes with another....ayeeee

 

[Alex Ramage]

Rated People about to float on AIM stock exchange.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

here:



wonder which one of them is the NIC?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

OK lets look at `rated people` as an entity:

i mean what do they actually do?...what are they actually there for?

all they do is create a website...throw a bit of advertising on the telly

they expect people to join this racket...and then pay for leads that may..or may not lead to some graft

see the way i saw it was that folk that needed any works carried out would ring round local tradesmen.....maybe get three quotes...and then decide on who they wanted......

so where does `rated people` come into this?

 

[R G]

Why on earth should anyone have to pay to give a quotation for work is beyond me , The problem is because people take part and pay their money these scams are just going to carry on , if nobody used them they would go away , But now the NIC have jumped into bed with them and instead of seeing them hopefully drift away , now they have prolonged their life , so who's side are the NIC on for Gods sake , Its just another sell, sell scam,,,,

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Why on earth should anyone have to pay to give a quotation for work is beyond me , The problem is because people take part and pay their money these scams are just going to carry on , if nobody used them they would go away , But now the NIC have jumped into bed with them and instead of seeing them hopefully drift away , now they have prolonged their life , so who's side are the NIC on for Gods sake , Its just another sell, sell scam,,,,

thats my point.

i mean...who the hell needs `rated people`?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

and further more the title `rated people` should be brought into question as well.....as i (and am sure others as well) have had to correct works carried out by someone who was contacted..whatever through `rated people`..

so they wern`t very rated then...were they really...

 

[R G]

Rated People What a bloody name ,, what sort of tradesman is this going to attract , those who can give the cheapest price and bodge everything in sight , In and out as quick as you can with the least amount spent on materials ,,
Thats what the Nic has got involved with ,, what a joke,,,,
This would be funny if it wasn't true,,,

 

[GLENNSPARK]

well ...anyone wanting to go through such a racket will be looking for cheepy cheepy...they could find that at the end of the bar.....

still doesn`t explain what the point is of `rated people` though...does it....

i thought folk employed a local tradesman through looking in the local papers...and on websites for local trades...thereby putting back in to the local economy....

and do folk have to pay this `rated people` for booking visits/quotes from trades registered with them?

 

[Silly Sausage]

still doesn`t explain what the point is of `rated people` though...does it....

Sounds like an auction site where the lowest bidder wins (maximum irony!!!), apart from the operators of course!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Sounds like an auction site where the lowest bidder wins (maximum irony!!!), apart from the operators of course!

sort of an `inverse auction` then Archy....

 

[R G]

More Like Haglers at a car boot sale , fighting each other off to get to the front of the queue ,,,

 

[Silly Sausage]

sort of an `inverse auction` then Archy....

Almost, but not quite.
They make agencies look good in comparison.

 

[NICEIC ENGINEER]

NICEIC was approached with an offer by Rated People which we felt might be beneficial to our contractors.

There is no commercial gain for NICEIC. The offer is for a trial period only.

NICEIC is committed to promoting the work of its contractors to householders and believe all electrical work in the home should be undertaken by competent, registered tradespeople.

However, we appreciate your feedback on this issue and will be reviewing the offer going forward.

 

[pepparz]

Is profit a key performance indicator for NICEIC?

 

[Octopus]

NICEIC was approached with an offer by Rated People which we felt might be beneficial to our contractors.

There is no commercial gain for NICEIC. The offer is for a trial period only.

NICEIC is committed to promoting the work of its contractors to householders and believe all electrical work in the home should be undertaken by competent, registered tradespeople.

However, we appreciate your feedback on this issue and will be reviewing the offer going forward.

So you both gain by mutual collaboration through marketing.

WE would prefer headlines such as the NICEIC, Trading Standard and the xx Police gain xx prosecutions for non compliance of Part P and dangerous electrical installations.

I'm not holding my breath!

 

[D Skelton]

NICEIC is committed to promoting the work of its contractors to householders and believe all electrical work in the home should be undertaken by competent, registered tradespeople.

Were the people who contributed to Emma Shaw's death competent tradespeople?

They were NICEIC registered.

 

[pepparz]

Have they been found guilty?

 

[Chrisuk]

Were the people who contributed to Emma Shaw's death competent tradespeople?

They were NICEIC registered.

I always thought to have the whole NICEIC, one had to level 2,3 and nvq3?
Yet I know of some that just did level 2 and 3 and have it plastered all over their vans
What does a spark need to be able to be NICEIC registered?

 

[NickD]

Were the people who contributed to Emma Shaw's death competent tradespeople?

Person. Only the QS was found guilty.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Have they been found guilty?

One got a £1000 fine, make of that what you want.
Re: Skel's 1st question, don't know.

 

[Badged01]

One got a £1000 fine, make of that what you want.

And probably payable by XX weekly installment a £2 per week ..........

 

[MDJ]

One got a £1000 fine, make of that what you want.
Re: Skel's 1st question, don't know.

which the company will pay, without doubt

 

[Badged01]

which the company will pay, without doubt

Not all companies have got such a good cash flow as you .......

 

[D Skelton]

I always thought to have the whole NICEIC, one had to level 2,3 and nvq3?
Yet I know of some that just did level 2 and 3 and have it plastered all over their vans
What does a spark need to be able to be NICEIC registered?

Sweet FA other than to have passed a 17th Edition exam!

 

[pepparz]

That counts eng out then, haha

 

[D Skelton]

Person. Only the QS was found guilty.

No, people. It was confirmed in court that the mate had fudged the IR results, he admitted to it, the only reason he wasn't found guilty was because he played the 'I was only following orders' card.

 

[Badged01]

... the only reason he wasn't found guilty was because he played the 'I was only following orders' card.

I thought after the WW2 trials that old chesnut was no longer applicable ..... unless it can be proved he was so dumb and stupid so as to not know what day of the week it was?!?!

 

[NickD]

No, people. It was confirmed in court that the mate had fudged the IR results, he admitted to it, the only reason he wasn't found guilty was because he played the 'I was only following orders' card.

We can only speculate as to why he was found not guilty, because we don't have the detailed case reporting, and juries are not required to explain their reasoning. It was reported that his handwritten test schedule was typed up and discrepancies introduced in the process; that may be a significant factor. He's an innocent man as far as the law is concerned, is all I'm saying.

 

[D Skelton]

We can only speculate as to why he was found not guilty, because we don't have the detailed case reporting, and juries are not required to explain their reasoning. It was reported that his handwritten test schedule was typed up and discrepancies introduced in the process; that may be a significant factor. He's an innocent man as far as the law is concerned, is all I'm saying.

No, you don't have the detailed case reporting. I have the benefit of having spoken to someone who was actually sat in the court room.

The mate was found not guilty of breaching a health and safety regulation, that is a fact and one we cannot argue, but that does not mean he bears no responsibility at all for her death, especially when he admitted in a court of law to fudging test results!

Just because you have been found innocent of a crime, that does not automatically absolve you of any responsibility.

 

[Chrisuk]

Sweet FA other than to have passed a 17th Edition exam!

Strict then! ! ! !

 

[Badged01]

Strict then! ! ! !

You may find that was a touch tongue in cheek in only requiring the 17th edn ......

 

[D Skelton]

You may find that was a touch tongue in cheek in only requiring the 17th edn ......

Err, no. The C&G 2382 is the only qualification a current 'qualified' supervisor is required to hold.

 

[NickD]

No, you don't have the detailed case reporting. I have the benefit of having spoken to someone who was actually sat in the court room.

But with respect, unless it was the judge or one of the lawyers you spoke to (and even then it's iffy), you don't know that what they've told you is complete, impartial, covers the relevant points of both evidence and law, etc. - so it's unlikely to be enough to make a solid argument on why the jury decided to find him not guilty, is the point I was making.

If you can point to evidence that he admitted fudging the tests then fair enough you can argue that even though found not guilty he may share some of the moral responsibility. But that's a separate argument from why he got off, is all I'm saying.

 

[D Skelton]

I don't particularly care how he got off, what's done is done, what I do care about and what I do feel is significant is his admissions in court, which are in the public domain.

I stand by what I say, and that is that both contributed to the death of Emma Shaw, and the NIC and the rest of the scams have a hell of a lot to answer to!

This fact isn't about me, nor is it about you, it is about public safety, and contrary to what the NIC like to tell us, the complete disregard for it!

In my opinion, this thread is not the place to attempt pedantry.