Pulling 16mm SWA through 150 M of conduit?

[HandySparks]

Cable pulling sock:

Cable Grips/Socks - Dart Systems Ltd

Not too expensive in the size you need.

 

[Andy78]

yeah, you don't wanna go in dry. no one likes that. .!

Especially not when it's ribbed as this one is !

 

[benji]

get another long rope attached to existing rope with a knot that would increase size of rope ( reef knot ? ) and pull through duct and back to see if it snags anywhere before attaching cable

 

[iamelectric]

1: get some rope and tie a big knot in it just slightly smaller than the duct about 40mm big put tape round it and then pull it right thru the duct not forgetting to attach a new draw rope to it , this will let u know if the duct is ok and not squashed at any point .
2: if it goes thru no bother ^^^ then the job is easy.
3: cable jacks - 3 men - 2 way radios , fairy liquid , one rolling it off the drum , one pushing it into the duct and one NOT pulling the rope to hard but keeping the tension on it .

take turns each , at pushing the cable as its the hardest job .

most likely place to get stuck is the joints so when u tape the nose of the cable make it as round as you can

 

[Johnmoh]

Wouldn't struggle manually pulling it. Hire yourself a cable winch from hss or alike. That length of blue rope with cable and the drag would be a right mare. Winches come with about 300m of steel rope, if you pull the steel thro with the blue rope and then use a cable sock as others have suggested. The beauty of the winches is they are clutched so you have a protection against cable damage. I know it works cos I have recently used one to pull a 25mm through the same size duct as OP after previous spark had walked off site and builder had laid ducts under concrete slab. Winches aren't cheap but job took us about 1 1/2hrs so it was money well spent.

 

[iamelectric]

am not being cheeky to anyone on this thread but its only a 16mm swa , this aint a big cable , talk of the 50mm duct not being big enough and cable winches and tractors , yes its a long run but if the duct is fine then its not that hard to pull it thru , plenty of lube and take ur time and it would be in in no time

 

[Andy78]

am not being cheeky to anyone on this thread but its only a 16mm swa , this aint a big cable , talk of the 50mm duct not being big enough and cable winches and tractors , yes its a long run but if the duct is fine then its not that hard to pull it thru , plenty of lube and take ur time and it would be in in no time

You don't sound cheeky, just inexperienced. The friction alone added to this length of cable is going to make it near impossible, and that's before you factor in the ridged ducting and the small diameter. 150m without pulling pots is crazy talk.

 

[iamelectric]

) fair enough , keep us updated with this one justin let us know how it goes if you go ahead and do it

 

[telectrix]

simple job, really. just get this guy to pull it through:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...c1pt3HeAIup93aad1jkOJzg&bvm=bv.51773540,d.ZGU

 

[Engineer54]

Cable pulling through duct over long distances without manhole pull stations is an art in itself. Dead pulling, no-matter whether the SWA is 16mm or far larger is going to end up stretching the cable. As someone pointed out earlier, cables need to be simultaneously fed into the duct while manually or winch pulling cable.

It's also so easy to damage the cables sheath as it enters the ducting, ....as sure as eggs are eggs smooth entry belled duct ends haven't been used at entry and exit points!! In this case you don't even know how the lengths of ducting have been joined underground which could easily also be a source of damage to the cable sheath if there are any rough edges left in the ducting etc!!

 

[JD6400]

Unless I am missing something ? How do people think that pulling an armoured cable of this size which is properly secured , by "hand" whilst being fed at the same time is going to stretch it !? It is unusual to get a labourer to put any more effort in to a cable pull than would be required to pull the skin of a semi dried turd , let alone stretch that cable in my humble experience . And before the outcry of inexperience is heard On the last job which required some pulling a couple of weeks ago , 5/6 of us managed to pull in 95m/70mm 4c , 110m/70mm 4c , 120m/120mm 4c , 145m/150mm 4c , 155m/150mm 4c , 170m/150mm 4c , 180m/185mm 4c , I will admit we did use our quad and winch set up on the last three as we were feeling fatigued by then , but all these took the grand total of 8 hours to complete . The thing that would worry me the most about the job is as Engineer54 has said about the unknown state of the ducts.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Corrugated plastic pipe, couldn't of chosen a worse design for such a long pull. The other thing is, how strong is this conduit /duct?? Laid at 600mm, if the wall isn't of a sufficient thickness, then there is a good chance the pipe's wall in places could have already collapsed, or starting to collapse, under the weight of the soil.


You're either going to be lucky and the pulling is going to go like a knife through butter, or as i suspect it's going to be a long pull, with one thing cropping up after another and ending up with a stretched cable at the end for all you're trouble. Use plenty of lubricant, ...you're going to need it methinks!! lol!!

its corrugated....so should have held its shape...

 

[Engineer54]

Let me assure you JD6400, inappropriate or DEAD pulling of any sized SWA cable by inexperienced personnel will result in the cable being stretched, and you can take that to the bank. Use of a suitably sized cable sock and correctly set calibrated cable pulling winch, with cable rollers and a free moving cable drum will in most instances alleviate cable stretching.... Start pulling any cable with any other form of tractor/machine and you'll almost certainly stretch that cable.

How many here, would even know if a cable has been stretched or not?? As i say, cable pulling is an art, especially over long distances, were friction between duct and sheath play an important role!! Anyone can pull any size of cable into a duct with enough brute force, what the condition of that cable will be at the end of the operation is a whole different matter!!

 

[Engineer54]

its corrugated....so should have held its shape...

Still depends on the quality and wall thickness. If it's that thin corrugated stuff that i've see in the past, god help the OP!! lol!!

 

[iamelectric]

thanks jd6400 a bit of sense at last , how on earth do these other people get work done i dont know , its a 16mm swa!!!! p.s i have pulled in more swas than most people on here have had hot dinners

 

[JD6400]

As much as I respect near on every point you raise on this forum ! I am afraid no matter how you put it , a couple of blokes "hand pulling" a suitably secured and fed cable of this size , can not stretch it. I have assume that they are just average Joes and not part of the worlds strongest man competition that is of course .

 

[1Justin]

Oh yes the conduit is it's that "thin stuff" Engineer 54!

One other thing I didn't mention. Customer slung MDPE water pipe in the same trench!

What would 528.3 conclude about that? - Since the cable will be down there in 100% humidity anyhow, maybe not a practical problem, but that type of argument could apply to any situation where you'd apply 528.3 so is probably unsound..

 

[HappyHippyDad]

When are you doing this Justin? My tension levels are rising, Its like reading a novel but the last page is missing! I have to know who the murderer is!!!

 

[1Justin]

Ha Ha! I visited yesterday and told the Customer at the time that since I was very concerned about getting the cable in in the first place I would have to "Investigate and consider the options". - No dates and no commitment.

There is plenty of other more accessible "normal" work required on the property which would be a shame to loose out on by being too negative about the "big one". Maybe I quote time and materials with a estimated percentage likelihood for my success. Honesty is the way forward, and no one would be hiding anything here. - That way there is at least a get-out for plan B if it went to worms.

 

[Engineer54]

As much as I respect near on every point you raise on this forum ! I am afraid no matter how you put it , a couple of blokes "hand pulling" a suitably secured and fed cable of this size , can not stretch it. I have assume that they are just average Joes and not part of the worlds strongest man competition that is of course .

Sorry, but your statement above, now comes into question ''(let alone stretch that cable in my humble experience)''!! Just how strong do you think 16mm SWA cable is against a couple of labourers that would be jerking and god knows what else to pull that cable in over a 150 meters, what with the cable itself weighing in at around 150/160Kgs.... Believe me 16mm SWA can be stretched quite easily, as well as physically damaged by any form of unsupervised dead weight pulling!! This cable could possibly fly in with no problems at all, and i hope it does. The difficulty comes when there is a problem, and what is done to overcome that or those problems...


As for iamelectric's statement, You have probably not come anywhere close to being involved in pulling more SWA cables than most of the older guy's on this forum. For a start, this project alone, has several Kilometres (if not miles) of ducted and direct buried cables. That would be for both MV and LV SWA cable as well as god knows how many signaling. As i say any fool and his dog can pull cables through a ducted system, given enough brute force, but at what cost to the cable, is another matter?? The bottom line is ''you need to know what you're doing and know the limitations of the cable you're pulling!!