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7029 dave said:
Lets see the names to the poll.?
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That would be moving the goal posts and unreasonable to do so now.

Personally I can’t see the point of the poll, what is it going to prove?


As for me:
I started in the machine shop and then went in to electrical/electronics. I stuck to the electrical side until I became shift maintenance engineer when I had to take on the other disciplines required to keep a large chemical works running.
Later at the foundry I went in to R&D (ruin and destroy) where I became office bound concentrating on PLC programming. This was followed by going back to being shift engineer where I also took on the machine shop. And finally engineering planning stuck in an office again.

I’m not quite sure where I fit in.
 
Tony said:
That would be moving the goal posts and unreasonable to do so now.

Personally I can’t see the point of the poll, what is it going to prove?


As for me:
I started in the machine shop and then went in to electrical/electronics. I stuck to the electrical side until I became shift maintenance engineer when I had to take on the other disciplines required to keep a large chemical works running.
Later at the foundry I went in to R&D (ruin and destroy) where I became office bound concentrating on PLC programming. This was followed by going back to being shift engineer where I also took on the machine shop. And finally engineering planning stuck in an office again.

I’m not quite sure where I fit in.
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Aye Cock, you've had an interesting career which I'm quite envious of! :)

In the highly unlikely probability I get extraordinarly drunk tonight, I might paste my CV up, give you all a good laugh!!!
 
That shouldn’t take long then, I’ll leave it to you to work out what I’m on about.

Remember Archy, drink sensibly. Have a good night and a good new year.
 
Im a time served electrician gone self employed. This forum is a great help, and though I've been registered a few years haven't really used it to its full advantage. Im going to use this forum more and hopefully more help and advice will continue in time to come. Happy new year all.
 
Archy Styrigg said:
Aye Cock, you've had an interesting career which I'm quite envious of! :)
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I missed out becoming shift production manager in the food industry with a department of 40+ muppets to keep under control.
I started there as an engineering technician. A job like that you learn the process so you understand it and then know how to fix it.

More fool me for doing so!

One of the managers had a nervous breakdown so his deputy had to take over. Have a guess who his deputy was, I hated every bloody minute of it!
To add to the misery the company insisted I did an NVQ4 in management at DeMontford.
I abandoned ship after a year or so when my then partner pointed out I was going as GaGa as my ex-boss.
Don’t get me wrong, I was coining it in but at what price to me and my partner?

Going in to the hell hole that is a foundry automated casting shop was like a stroll in the park.
 
Tony, in a recent thread you had minions working for you. Now they are muppets.

What the **** kind of boss were you!! Have some respect for people, you are not the one sane voice in the room.
 
Tony said:
That shouldn’t take long then, I’ll leave it to you to work out what I’m on about.

Remember Archy, drink sensibly. Have a good night and a good new year.
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I've been trawling my mind every which way possible for the last hour or so, but I can't find any meaning or reference to the word 'sensibly'.

As to the your initial sentence....WHOOOOSH, you've beaten me there Chief!!!
 
andyelectric said:
Tony, in a recent thread you had minions working for you. Now they are muppets.

What the **** kind of boss were you!! Have some respect for people, you are not the one sane voice in the room.
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I was a boss that got things done no matter what. I wasn’t paid to be nice, I was paid to keep product going out of the door.

I have respect for people that help me in my goal. They’ll always get “please and thank you” for their effort.
I’ve absolutely no respect for the ones that aren’t focused on their allotted task and cause me grief. Quite plain and simply, they get the order of the boot. (Not that easy with the employment laws.)

Production pays the wage bill for all of us. If I didn’t get my bonus, no one else did. Keeping the team in good order ensured they got better paid than the other shifts.

You don’t know me or what I’m like. It would be interesting to know your experience of management so we can make a comparison.
 
andyelectric said:
Tony, in a recent thread you had minions working for you. Now they are muppets.

What the **** kind of boss were you!! Have some respect for people, you are not the one sane voice in the room.
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And equally the same could be said about employers.

I'd get an instant lifetime ban if I'd describe some of the $*£$(^ *%(($^ I've worked for on here.
 
PEG said:
Not that it matters,or anyone cares,I am an Engineer.
Note that i use a capital letter...I am immensely proud of that,and the journey made to deserve the title. It is the occupation title,in every vetting,CRB,insurance and report i have filled in,in the last 30 years.
But,if pushed,on an anonymous,yet thoroughly enjoyable forum,i will put "Inventor" and stand by it...:icon12:
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If you or the others fulfil the recognised criteria of being an Engineer, then fine, but just calling yourself/or giving yourself the title of Engineer without the appropriate qualifications to back the title, takes away all credibility of the title. Just about anyone can call themselves an Engineer in the UK, .....NOT so, (well not officially anyway) in most of the rest of the westernised world!! Many of which you will need to be Registered as an Engineer to use the title....
 
Engineer54 said:
If you or the others fulfil the recognised criteria of being an Engineer, then fine, but just calling yourself/or giving yourself the title of Engineer without the appropriate qualifications to back the title, takes away all credibility of the title. Just about anyone can call themselves an Engineer in the UK, .....NOT so, (well not officially anyway) in most of the rest of the westernised world!! Many of which you will need to be Registered as an Engineer to use the title....
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Personally, I could have registered as Ieng but chose not to bother. Does not registering make me any less of an engineer. In my opinion not so. But, it doesn't really matter anyway.

You are correct in that the title is overused. Even plumbers like to term themselves Central Heating Engineers.
 
Tony said:
I was a boss that got things done no matter what. I wasn’t paid to be nice, I was paid to keep product going out of the door.

I have respect for people that help me in my goal. They’ll always get “please and thank you” for their effort.
I’ve absolutely no respect for the ones that aren’t focused on their allotted task and cause me grief. Quite plain and simply, they get the order of the boot. (Not that easy with the employment laws.)

Production pays the wage bill for all of us. If I didn’t get my bonus, no one else did. Keeping the team in good order ensured they got better paid than the other shifts.

You don’t know me or what I’m like. It would be interesting to know your experience of management so we can make a comparison.
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I was the type of manager who in closed company might have occasionally have used that type of language. But it would be reserved for those that deserved it. I certainly wouldn't have generalised and tarnished everyone with the same brush in public like you do.

You are correct that I don't know you. But I do know your internet persona. And that I do not like.
 
andyelectric said:
Personally, I could have registered as Ieng but chose not to bother. Does not registering make me any less of an engineer. In my opinion not so. But, it doesn't really matter anyway.

You are correct in that the title is overused. Even plumbers like to term themselves Central Heating Engineers.
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There are many positions out there where you would need to be an Incorporated Engineer (I Eng) or even a Chartered Engineer (C Eng), or you just wouldn't be considered suitable to fill that position. So yes, at least in my opinion it does matter. But then i suppose it depends on how far personally you want to go in this industry.
 
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Engineer54 said:
There are many positions out there where you would need to be an Incorporated Engineer (MIET) or even a Chartered Engineer (C Eng), or you just wouldn't be considered suitable to fill that position. So yes, at least in my opinion it does matter. But then i suppose it depends on how far personally you want to go in this industry.
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You're correct there but thats all dependant on if you're looking to move into a role whereby you need some pretty letters after your name. If you're happy in the role you're in and not looking to progress to a new job, then I'm with Andyelectric on this. Im sure theres lots out there that could register to various places but why bother? It doesn't make you any more of an engineer.
I could of registered for MIET but didn't bother in the end as its £140 a year i don't really need to spend at the moment. If i decide to move on to another job, i may consider it depending on what I'm going for but it won't make me any less or more of an engineer.
 
Harni said:
You're correct there but thats all dependant on if you're looking to move into a role whereby you need some pretty letters after your name. If you're happy in the role you're in and not looking to progress to a new job, then I'm with Andyelectric on this. Im sure theres lots out there that could register to various places but why bother? It doesn't make you any more of an engineer.
I could of registered for MIET but didn't bother in the end as its £140 a year i don't really need to spend at the moment. If i decide to move on to another job, i may consider it depending on what I'm going for but it won't make me any less or more of an engineer.
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That's fine but then DON'T call yourself an Engineer, because at the end of the day, officially you're NOT!!
So what route would you take to obtain MIET registration if you did want to register??

As far as i'm concerned only professionally licensed designations (eg...I Eng /C Eng) within the IET should be calling themselves Engineers. They are the guy's putting their name and their professional licence and livelihood on the proverbial line....
 
Engineer54 said:
That's fine but then DON'T call yourself an Engineer, because at the end of the day, officially you're NOT!!
So what route would you take to obtain MIET registration if you did want to register??

As far as i'm concerned only professionally licensed designations (eg...I Eng /C Eng) within the IET should be calling themselves Engineers. They are the guy's putting their name and their professional licence and livelihood on the proverbial line....
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I would apply via the IET which requires proof of your qualifications and your experience.

spinlondon said:
There are many routes for obtaining registration with the IET.
Some of them would allow people with no engineering or electrical background what so ever to be registered.
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I may be wrong here so apologies if i am but as far as I'm aware, the only way to register with the IET is directly through them. As I've said above, they require proof of qualifications, experience, references etc before they will entertain an application.
If there is companies out there though where you can register with no experience or qualifications, i think thats wrong. You're basically just buying a title then!
 
Providing proof of qualifications, is one of the available options for registering with the IET.
There are other options which do not involve providing proof of qualifications.
For instance holding or having held the rank of Warrent Officer in the armed forces is, or was an option.
 
Think things may have changed then.

Taking a MIET application for example....
Qualifications and experience required for MIET - The IET
 
spinlondon said:
Nope it still allows for Commissioned Officers or Warrant Officers in the armed forces.
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We (Weapon Engineers) had access to register as IEng as Chief Petty Officers(Staff sergeant equivalent) in the RN. Can't remember exactly but if I remember rightly they required a certain amount of years experience, you had to get your boss to recommend you and they reserved the right to interview you, although I never heard of anyone who applied actually getting interviewed.

I decided that as I wouldn't be using the letters after my name, the yearly fee wasn't worth it.

Commissioned officers could register as CEng/IEng dependent on quals/experience and Petty Officers as Engineering Technicians off the top of my head.
 
Geordie Spark said:
Thank you.

Given the thread title I thought it appropriate - sort of.

Also gives a little bit of insight into what goes on in a studio for them wot might like t' knaa ye knaa.
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Cheers,bud,i was considering a lengthy rant RE; Quals debate....and you have enjoyably diverted my attention...Two of the first records i bought,Odds and Sods,Who by Numbers...have all the CD's in me truck...CLASS band,and Kieth Moon still holds title of "Best Hotel Entertainer" :icon12:
 
andyelectric said:
We (Weapon Engineers) had access to register as IEng as Chief Petty Officers(Staff sergeant equivalent) in the RN. Can't remember exactly but if I remember rightly they required a certain amount of years experience, you had to get your boss to recommend you and they reserved the right to interview you, although I never heard of anyone who applied actually getting interviewed.

I decided that as I wouldn't be using the letters after my name, the yearly fee wasn't worth it.

Commissioned officers could register as CEng/IEng dependent on quals/experience and Petty Officers as Engineering Technicians off the top of my head.
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You'd still need suitable electrical/electronic qualifications gained during your time in the Armed Forces. You wouldn't get in without any qualifications, and certainly not as a Registered CEng/IEng....
 
Engineer54 said:
You'd still need suitable electrical/electronic qualifications gained during your time in the Armed Forces. You wouldn't get in without any qualifications, and certainly not as a Registered CEng/IEng....
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We did obtain qualifications. I think my post referenced quals.

Edit.. My post, although relying on memory is correct as far as I remember. I'm only talking a couple of years ago when I was in the process of leaving so I think its reasonably correct. I decided not to register as IEng as I had no intention of ever using the registration and therefore didn't see the point of a yearly fee merely for letters after my name.

I Still don't think I'm any less of an engineer for not registering.

Mind you if I'd completed an NVQ3 in electrical installation, there are some on here who see it as the equivalent of a medical degree.
 
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Martin
 
From experience of some of the consultants I have worked with, the letters after the name are meaningless (CIBSE members in my experience). So long as you have a degree and turn up to the regional meetings and buy the right people a drink then you're in and graded. It's still very much an old boys club from my experience. I can't say what the IET are like, maybe they are better?

It's odd that you have to be a member of a professional organisation to call yourself an engineer on here, yet the opposite is said of electricians who join a competent persons scheme.
 
Engineer54 said:
I'm not trying to be flipant or clever, but what makes you think you're entitled to call yourself an Engineer??
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I don't get you. I could have registered as IEng, but whilst in service it would have been a pointless waste of money to join a civilian organisation.

Are you trying to say there are no Engineers in the armed forces as they don't register civvyside? Once again I don't get your point? Is this a personal attack on me, or on the whole of the armed forces?

Would 'Former Engineer' satisfy your ego.
 
I think he's trying to say that because youre not officially registered as an engineer, you can't possibly be one which personally I don't agree with.

If you look up the definition of an engineer, the general definition is something along the lines of someone who designs, builds and maintains. No where does it say that an engineer can only be an engineer by being registered to some sort of trade body.
 
Harni said:
I think he's trying to say that because youre not officially registered as an engineer, you can't possibly be one which personally I don't agree with.

If you look up the definition of an engineer, the general definition is something along the lines of someone who designs, builds and maintains. No where does it say that an engineer can only be an engineer by being registered to some sort of trade body.
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Mmm, £140 a year times 22 years for something of absolutely no use to me. I'm glad I gave it a miss. Methinks E54 is trying to willy wang.
 
andyelectric said:
I don't get you. I could have registered as IEng, but whilst in service it would have been a pointless waste of money to join a civilian organisation.

Are you trying to say there are no Engineers in the armed forces as they don't register civvyside? Once again I don't get your point? Is this a personal attack on me, or on the whole of the armed forces?

Would 'Former Engineer' satisfy your ego.
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I'm not saying that at all, i asked you a perfectly reasonable question if you don't want to answer , fair enough. If i wanted to aim a personal attack on you, you would know all about it....

Oh, and i don't do ''willy wanging'' i leave that to others.
 
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Engineer54 said:
I'm not saying that at all, i asked you a perfectly reasonable question if you don't want to answer , fair enough. If i wanted to aim a personal attack on you, you would no all about it....

Oh, and i don't do ''willy wanging'' i leave that to others.
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Okay then. Why would you consider me not to be an engineer. If it is lack of registration, do you seriously expect me to have registered with a body holding no relevance to my armed forces career?
 
Harni said:
I think he's trying to say that because youre not officially registered as an engineer, you can't possibly be one which personally I don't agree with.

If you look up the definition of an engineer, the general definition is something along the lines of someone who designs, builds and maintains. No where does it say that an engineer can only be an engineer by being registered to some sort of trade body.
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I'm saying, you need the qualifications to back up self imposed titles of Engineer. Recognised Institutes such as ITE and CIBSE would be the general official route to take in this instance...

As i stated previously just about anyone can call themselves an engineer in the UK even on business advertising material. Try doing that in most westernised countries and you'll quickly find yourself in hot water...
 
Engineer54 said:
I'm saying, you need the qualifications to back up self imposed titles of Engineer. Recognised Institutes such as ITE and CIBSE would be the general official route to take in this instance...

As i stated previously just about anyone can call themselves an engineer in the UK even on business advertising material. Try doing that in most westernised countries and you'll quickly find yourself in hot water...
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charted enginer is a protected title but normal enginer isnt


the professional titles of Engineering Technician (EngTech), Incorporated Engineer IEng), Chartered Engineer (CEng) and ICT Technician (ICTTech) may only be used by those who have been granted these titles through registration with the Engineering Council.

www.engc.org.uk/statusofengineers.aspx
 
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