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I was the type of manager who in closed company might have occasionally have used that type of language. But it would be reserved for those that deserved it. I certainly wouldn't have generalised and tarnished everyone with the same brush in public like you do.
You are correct that I don't know you. But I do know your internet persona. And that I do not like.
I’m the same in real life. And to add I can’t say I’m over enamoured with you.
I spent too much time as production manager trying to put right the discord caused by two ex RAF warrant offices who though they knew how to run a production shift.
The company had a misguided policy of taking on ex RAF offices, I’m happy to say I broke that mould. Coming from the bulk chemical industry I was used to the pressures of a high production environment, more than could be said for my opposite numbers.
The big difference was my team were on my side, they knew I’d push them to get that bonus in their pocket.
Just to rub it in. I worked as a professional photographer doing many military functions. I can out shout a Coldstream RSM. Shouting works in some environments.
You mentioned letters after your name, there’s more letters after my name than my name is long.
Don't know what you are trying to 'rub in'. I have rarely found the need to shout loud except when in the vicinity of machinery, or gunfire.
I've never mentioned letters after my name. The reason is I have none.
And I doubt your team would follow you if as you state if you were constantly calling them "minions" or "muppets" to their faces. I expect that in real life such words were rarely used face to face.
my supervisor was like that, i told him to **** off and do it himself, the mardy basted needed knocking down a pegI had a manager like that once. He ended up with a broken nose and 2 black eyes and that was before i got to get near him!
No 'approved' or 'technician' listed, I see. They used to be the terms used for those completing the 'full set' of A, B and C certs. How things change, eh!
A - Electrician
B - Approved electrician
C - Technician
I think I have already stated my position reasonably clearly in that lack of registration does not preclude you being an Engineer. Certainly in the Armed Forces there are many who could register as CEng or IEng but choose not to do so as it does not have any bearing on their role in the forces and would simply amount to a yearly fee for nothing. With my quals and experience I could have registered as IEng but chose not to do so.
Do you seriously expect Forces personnel to register for a membership that would do nothing for them?
Edit.. Having seen your answer to my question of 'are you a chartered engineer?' on another part of the forum it would appear that you are as I originally thought 'willy wanging' your registered status.
You overlooked this bit:Don't know what you are trying to 'rub in'. I have rarely found the need to shout loud except when in the vicinity of machinery, or gunfire.
I've never mentioned letters after my name. The reason is I have none.
And I doubt your team would follow you if as you state if you were constantly calling them "minions" or "muppets" to their faces. I expect that in real life such words were rarely used face to face.
The big difference was my team were on my side, they knew I’d push them hard to get that bonus in their pocket.
That as a statement is inherently correct.
However, the real question we are trying to answer is should those qualified and experienced who could register but do not be calling themselves Engineers. This is of particular relevance to the Armed Forces where there is no benefit to registering, only a financial downside.
To put it another way, should a time served qualified electrician be calling himself an electrician if he is not registered with some body or other be it JIB or a CPS.
You overlooked this bit:
It's where management skills come in to play. Knowing how to get the best from people with the least amount of fuss.
You’re just like my shift counterparts were. Fixed in your military mindset. If the qualifications aren’t on offer in the NAFFI at cut price I’m going to shout about it. The forces have fixed you up with the cut price short cut ticket to nowhere.
As for letters after your name you were haranguing E54 over engineer status saying you decided against it on cost, more fool you. You could have gone in to a good job and wrecked that with military efficiency instead of wrecking unsuspecting people’s homes with military ineptitude.
Thank god I missed out on national service, I too could have had an attitude like yours.
Thanks! Glad you agree! So your not an engineer then?
I don't think it's fair to compare the two professions in that way, it's clearly harder to become an Engineer than an Electrician but in both cases you would need to meet the criteria to register as such. In the case of electrician you must possess the relevant skills and experience, in the case of Engineer you must have achieved an academic level (such as an Engineering degree) or achieved a lower academic level (HND) and have shed loads of experience, that's how I see it
Originally Posted by andyelectric
That as a statement is inherently correct.
However, the real question we are trying to answer is should those qualified and experienced who could register but do not be calling themselves Engineers. This is of particular relevance to the Armed Forces where there is no benefit to registering, only a financial downside.
To put it another way, should a time served qualified electrician be calling himself an electrician if he is not registered with some body or other be it JIB or a CPS
That depends if you are employed in the industrial sector, especially within an in-house maintenance team the JIB/SJIB cards would be pretty pointless cards to carry. If however you are a qualified electrician working on most if not all of the bigger projects and the like, you wouldn't be able to get on the site let alone work as an electrician without the appropriate registration cards.
I think you'll find that most of the fully qualified contracting electricians hold such JIB cards, or have at least held them at some point in time. Many would have completed all their training with a JIB registered contractor/company....
As for the rest, any electrician that has completed a level 3 foundation technical course and has the relevant skills and experience can quite legitimately call themselves 'an ''Electrician''
I also think you are also mistaken with armed services Engineers. There are many Registered Professional Engineers within the Royal Engineers and are encouraged to become registered!! I know that for a fact!![/INDENT]
I agree I am not a registered Engineer, I have always made that clear. If you infer that only registered engineers should be able to call themselves an Engineer then that is subject to opinion and ours obviously differ. I don't think there is much point discussing this issue further as there will never be agreement.
In order that the engineer/not an engineer debate could be settled once and for all beyond all reasonable doubt I have tirelessly searched the interwebs for more than 5 minutes. This is the result of my extensive research and imo there can be no doubt.
You are either an engineer or you are not.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=lrq1yfHWkvzPuBXgq5UqXg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.ZGU
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