Why do commercial sparks bash house bashers?

[Electrics]

I've noticed on here people who have obsessions with hand and power tools with some threads stretching on for weeks, I really don't get it. Judge a person by their work and not the age and quality of their tools. Here are my cutters for everyday, the Channellock ones I bought in the early 1980s and the red pair seem fine to me.View attachment 90189

Not saying yours are, but crap tools make the job miles harder, and longer.

What i'm saying is before i started at this company, from what people online say, you'd think commercial was the big holy grail where everything was engineering precision but it's not the case - a lot of these blokes carry around a barely functioning tool kit. I had to borrow a couple of things last week and they were almost unusable and made the job ten times harder.

Trying to strip 4mm T+E with a rusty pair of blunt cutters when a pair of £18 auto strippers are on the market..

 

[buzzlightyear]

Here are my cutters for everyday, the Channellock ones I bought in the early 1980s and the red pair seem fine to me for pulling the apprentice teeth out .

lol.

 

[MoserV8]

Congratulations on getting your apprenticeship firstly. 100 Percent agree with commenter above with the fact that the domestic work is in a cut throat world, to a point where buliders and kitchen fitters will "Bang" Electrical installations in to save money. Of course there are time served tradesmen who have a host of quality tools, and the knowledge, expertise & care to complete a good domestic installation, they are few and far between.
I do have to be honest in saying there is the mentality amongst "Industrial (Commercial)" of looking down on "House Bashers" - this has been the case for years. Being a standalone Industrial Electrician - you do have to have a way way bigger skill set than a Domestic Sparky, thats a fact! Both theoretical and practically they are two different worlds, you have to be competent in the design & installation of various containment systems - be able to instal to a good standard, Cable Tray, trunking, conduit systems, armoured cable, SY , Industrial lighting, Busbar Systems, Fire Alarms, Design & Instal Emergency Lighting its endless. This is the crux of the Gripes . Looking forward, i would 100 percent recommend you getting into the Industrial Commercial field. The Skill Set you will gain will see you through a prosperous happy working life-In the end you can work for your self and be able to tackle ANY Job, Domestic or Industrial.

 

[buzzlightyear]

its not how good the tools are but the person that uses them says the woman down the brothel.lol.

 

[nicebutdim]

I guess everyone has a preferred method of working and, by extension, preferred tools for each job.

OP does make a good point about grips being used for everything - in the right hands isn't necessarily a problem, but I'm not a fan of mashed fittings and everyone know someone who does exactly that.

 

[Electrics]

its not how good the tools are but the person that uses them says the woman down the brothel.lol.

It's not possible to do a good job using the wrong tools sometimes though.

 

[buzzlightyear]

It's not possible to do a good job using the wrong tools sometimes though

that what she said ,when i had the hammer in me hand .

 

[7029 dave]

Yes well done on getting an apprenticeship, especially with a big outfit.
You are very lucky hopefully getting a good variety of both domestic and commercial/ industrial.
I was with quite a big firm in my experience tooling tools didnt make any difference, one week could be in a hospital/ office block /factory, few months later wiring up 200 house's, buying your tools was buying your tools for the job's you were on. The only tools that were provided for me by the firm was Conduit former/ some knackered old testing equipment (before the days of MFT).Bought my own
The boss pulled in good quality work I liked the variety but as an apprentice he pulled you on off jobs to suit the sparks.

The industry was not split into sectors back then. Electrical work was Electrical work tools as well , sure some company's specialised in certain area's. So to be honest I cant really relate to your OP.

 

[Electrics]

Congratulations on getting your apprenticeship firstly. 100 Percent agree with commenter above with the fact that the domestic work is in a cut throat world, to a point where buliders and kitchen fitters will "Bang" Electrical installations in to save money. Of course there are time served tradesmen who have a host of quality tools, and the knowledge, expertise & care to complete a good domestic installation, they are few and far between.
I do have to be honest in saying there is the mentality amongst "Industrial (Commercial)" of looking down on "House Bashers" - this has been the case for years. Being a standalone Industrial Electrician - you do have to have a way way bigger skill set than a Domestic Sparky, thats a fact! Both theoretical and practically they are two different worlds, you have to be competent in the design & installation of various containment systems - be able to instal to a good standard, Cable Tray, trunking, conduit systems, armoured cable, SY , Industrial lighting, Busbar Systems, Fire Alarms, Design & Instal Emergency Lighting its endless. This is the crux of the Gripes . Looking forward, i would 100 percent recommend you getting into the Industrial Commercial field. The Skill Set you will gain will see you through a prosperous happy working life-In the end you can work for your self and be able to tackle ANY Job, Domestic or Industrial.

Thankfully, i've been put under the commercial industrial side. I've had one small job in someone's house but that's it.

I already know basically how to do domestic for most things single phase like sockets, lights, radials etc so i'm glad to be on the commercial side getting the experience there. I think it's much easier for a commercial industrial spark to walk into a house than the other way round. I really don't see how someone who has only ever done single phase domestic installs can walk into something with dozens of sub boards with a supply in the kVs.

 

[nicebutdim]

Thankfully, i've been put under the commercial industrial side. I've had one small job in someone's house but that's it.

I already know basically how to do domestic for most things single phase like sockets, lights, radials etc so i'm glad to be on the commercial side getting the experience there. I think it's much easier for a commercial industrial spark to walk into a house than the other way round. I really don't see how someone who has only ever done single phase domestic installs can walk into something with dozens of sub boards with a supply in the kVs.

What it will also do is make putting together your portfolio much easier.