Your going to laugh lads!!!!!!! NVQ3 - Domestic!!!!!

[Electricalserv]

Why don't you older generation lads jump on the new NVQ3's next year. If your industrial take the diploma if your domestic take the new domestic.


I'll have to take it, but I'm bloody made up it won't involve any work that I don't do. No matter how much it costs its worth its weight in gold!

 

[malcolmsanford]

Serv I'm going to play the grumpy old git card, and if I wanted to register for Part P as a sole trader, which I still am by the way, so it won't affect me as such, but for the likes of Baldsparkie for example, that have done an apprenticeship, got the 236 part 1 & 2, a gold card approved electrician, a platinum managers cards, 2391. 2382, and 40 yrs in the industry, and was told that I had to do an NVQ3 and be assessed by some spotty faced yoik, I would not be impressed.

For guys like Baldsparkie and can't see that happening.

 

[Electricalserv]

Serv I'm going to play the grumpy old git card, and if I wanted to register for Part P as a sole trader, which I still am by the way, so it won't affect me as such, but for the likes of Baldsparkie for example, that have done an apprenticeship, got the 236 part 1 & 2, a gold card approved electrician, a platinum managers cards, 2391. 2382, and 40 yrs in the industry, and was told that I had to do an NVQ3 and be assessed by some spotty faced yoik, I would not be impressed.

For guys like Baldsparkie and can't see that happening.

And I completely understand that. Thats why the equivalent needs to be announced

 

[baldsparkies]

Well lads some sense at last. Just spoke to my scheme provider mainly NIC EIC. There take on all this is that things are far from being finalised.
They DO see where i am coming from and said even if i wasn't a QS I would have no problems in becoming one with my current qualifications, and time served experiance. The chap added (In fact it would be an insult to do otherwise) T
he powers to be are still talking over and drawing up plans regarding specifics on this. That does indeed include WHAT IS AN NVQ3 EQUIVELANT.
There aim is to STOP inexperianced and unqualified persons from becoming a QS, through some fast track network.
The concern is that our industry is becoming diluted, and the floodgates need to be closed. "SLAM".
I am glad I made the call, I will be glad to see the sense behind all this becoming clear, and I will be glad to see it implemented.
It's going to be good for the industry. Its OUR industry. Its an industry for ELECTRICIANS. So to the rest of em, earn it like we did, or KEEP OUT.

 

[malcolmsanford]

That draft you posted in post way back on post 30 odd did say on the bit about the criteria for Domestic Electrician that an Installation Electrician ( and they used bold font), could have the accreditation of Domestic electrician put on the card, so I assume that gold card JIB card holders will not need this NVQ, so that will be one.

 

[Engineer54]

I can't believe this thread is still steaming along!!...lol!!

As far as i can see, the only person in favour here of segregating our industry is Electricalserv. we have a few sitting on the fence, and a few don't knows!! The vast majority here, can see that segregation is not going to do anyone any good, ...short or long term. Except of course the employers and and those with there greedy hand held out for your money!!!

Far from enhancing our industry or improving the status of qualified electricians it will do the exact opposite, you can bet your last pennies on that!!

Electricians should ALL be trained to a good standard minimum level, a level that will give him/her the qualifications to allow them to choose any field or category in our industry not just ''one''. If you think that the present level accepted by the scam providers etc, is not accptable then get the entry level changed, not by some buckshee new qualification, but by what's out there already.

Stop trying to make out that Domestic is something different or special, because it's NOT, ...and never has been!!! Only the scam providers are trying to make it so, for there own benifit not yours or the industries....

 

[Electricalserv]

Hows it segregating the industry? Its offering a qualification on par with the current NVQ3 for domestic only. Removing parts that are invalid fro Part P work!


Its an excellent idea. The pros's far outweigh the con's.


Pro's:

No more 5 Day Wonders.
Fully Qualified Domestic electricians only - Assessed and badged!
No more arguments about the industry letting computer technicians and policemen in.
More work for the real sparks - no competition from computer JIM!

Con's

Seperation from the Commercial & Industrial work - which is very, very different!


I think the problem here is that alot (not all) of the current NVQ3 sparks feel as though they are above the domestic market and don't see why an NVQ3 should be introduced to call a domestic electrician Approved!

I think from the older generation their argument is Where do we fit in? We are already time served, assessed and fully qualified and badged before this NVQ3 lark turned up. These guys I agree with. They should not have to sit any further qualification!

 

[Engineer54]

Well lads some sense at last. Just spoke to my scheme provider mainly NIC EIC. There take on all this is that things are far from being finalised.
They DO see where i am coming from and said even if i wasn't a QS I would have no problems in becoming one with my current qualifications, and time served experiance. The chap added (In fact it would be an insult to do otherwise) T
he powers to be are still talking over and drawing up plans regarding specifics on this. That does indeed include WHAT IS AN NVQ3 EQUIVELANT.
There aim is to STOP inexperianced and unqualified persons from becoming a QS, through some fast track network.
The concern is that our industry is becoming diluted, and the floodgates need to be closed. "SLAM".
I am glad I made the call, I will be glad to see the sense behind all this becoming clear, and I will be glad to see it implemented.
It's going to be good for the industry. Its OUR industry. Its an industry for ELECTRICIANS. So to the rest of em, earn it like we did, or KEEP OUT.

That's well Ripe, coming from the very same people that set those minimum qualifications levels for entry into their scam provider company.... So now there trying to slam the gate shut well after the horse has bolted, and i suppose that all those poorly qualified fast track sparks that are presently paying members, will be exempt from any new requirements. ....They are not after all going to see their income/profits fall thru the ceiling are they?? ...lol!!!

 

[Ponty Massive]

I've just read this thread from start to finish and can no longer make sense. The original arguement was providing a minimum qualification for domestic installers (I think??). IMO I think this is a step in the right direction.

However; unless the industry is going to advertise part P and prosecute people who are not registered, then it makes no difference to the cowboys anyway. More hoops to jump through, more expense and matey down the pub will do it cash in hand!!

I'm of the old school where an electrician did an apprenticeship, kept logbooks and was assessed on all aspects of the industy (dommestic, commercial and industrial). If I hadn't of been lucky enough to have had an appenticeship then maybe I would think differently. I would still not class someone who can only do domestic work as an electrician however, things have changed over the years and I understand we must move with the times.

Providing a higher standard for a DI (IMO) will be a good thing !!

 

[Engineer54]

Hows it segregating the industry? Its offering a qualification on par with the current NVQ3 for domestic only. Removing parts that are invalid fro Part P work!


Its an excellent idea. The pros's far outweigh the con's.


Pro's:

No more 5 Day Wonders.
Fully Qualified Domestic electricians only - Assessed and badged!
No more arguments about the industry letting computer technicians and policemen in.
More work for the real sparks - no competition from computer JIM!

Con's

Seperation from the Commercial & Industrial work - which is very, very different!


I think the problem here is that alot (not all) of the current NVQ3 sparks feel as though they are above the domestic market and don't see why an NVQ3 should be introduced to call a domestic electrician Approved!

I think from the older generation their argument is Where do we fit in? We are already time served, assessed and fully qualified and badged before this NVQ3 lark turned up. These guys I agree with. They should not have to sit any further qualification!

I don't think you can see what you are saying here, not in the bigger picture anyway. There is no need for any special qualification for domestic working absolutly NONE.

Alas, i don't think you've listened to anyone here, that have and has given very good reasons why there shouldn't be any special NVQ3 for domestic (or any other area). You have only listened to yourself, because it suits your aims. You can't see that there are qualifications out there now already, that would bring an end to the 5 day wonders as you put it. ...and that i feel is your main goal, ....That and getting an easier ''Approved'' status from the JIB!!!


This has got nothing to do with where the older Qualified sparks stand as far as QS status goes, this is all about your aims to segregate Domestic from the rest of the electrical industry, just a crazy idea all round!!!