2 x sockets : EICR . What would you code . Then another question !

[LukeD]

First : here are 2 x sockets .What code would you give and why ? 3rd pick you can see rear thermal damage on double socket



second : Roof above bathroom has terrible leaks . Lights spark and buzz etc when raining .Video evidence shown to tester . tester says it not a C1 or C2 as its not raining despite the videos taken when it does .So as inspected its not a issue . Thoughts >??

 

[littlespark]

My thoughts?

Get a new tester. This one doesn’t have a scooby.

 

[LukeD]

My thoughts?

Get a new tester. This one doesn’t have a scooby.

Love it ! Blunt and to the point
I would say as a Min C2

 

[pc1966]

Already covered in BPG #4:

Fire/Heat - C2 - Evidence of excessive heat (such as charring from electrical equipment causing damage to the installation or its surroundings)

Replacement would appear to be the obvious course of action to anyone with half a brain...

As for the second issue I think this covers it in BPG #4:

Equipment/Accessories - C2 - Electrical equipment having an inadequate degree of ingress protection (IP rating) for the external influences likely to occur in the location, if this results in potential danger

But I think @littlespark has summed it up perfectly.

 

[LukeD]

Tester said its not even a C3 !!
Its a "charity job" as usual . For a vulnerable person . So Ive given my report but also offered to "put it out there" so the other people helping her can see others opinion etc etc

 

[JBW175]

Sockets are definite C2’s in my eyes.

With regards to the lighting issue, first and foremost she needs to get that roof fixed to stem the leaks, then a good inspection to see what accessories / wiring has water damage and needs replacing. C2/FI

And as above, sack the tester.

 

[pc1966]

What is slightly curious is it appears to be the N pin in both cases that has burnt out, often when plugs go bad it is the L with the fuse that runs hotter. I wonder if they had an electric heater with a bad plug that was responsible for both?

 

[littlespark]

If the lights spark and buzz when it rains.... what's an IR showing up during testing? Maybe everything works ok when its not raining, but it cant be bone dry.



EICR section 5, item 18...... (on my particular sheets anyway)
"Condition of accessories including socket-outlets, switches and joint boxes (651.2(v))"

Minimum C2. Maybe not "immediately" dangerous.... but its not going to take much for that to fail completely.

 

[LukeD]

tester had an email .Reminding of BPG and also its an obvious C2 .And Perhaps he should concentrate a little better rather than trying to give a "nicer " report for the landlord who has a Council complaint been made against them etc

 

[westward10]

Why would you remind them of the Best Practice Guide, is that some sort of legal document.

 

[LukeD]

Why would you remind them of the Best Practice Guide, is that some sort of legal document.

No...But its a clue to help them

 

[uc1987]

First : here are 2 x sockets .What code would you give and why ? 3rd pick you can see rear thermal damage on double socket



second : Roof above bathroom has terrible leaks . Lights spark and buzz etc when raining .Video evidence shown to tester . tester says it not a C1 or C2 as its not raining despite the videos taken when it does .So as inspected its not a issue . Thoughts >??

If the sockets are replaced than the test is carried out. There is no reason to put this in the certificate as any C code

 

[uc1987]

Sockets are definite C2’s in my eyes.

With regards to the lighting issue, first and foremost she needs to get that roof fixed to stem the leaks, then a good inspection to see what accessories / wiring has water damage and needs replacing. C2/FI

And as above, sack the tester.

If the sockets have been replaced why would you list it.?

 

[littlespark]

Welcome to the forum, @uc1987 and you bring up a very good point.

@LukeD, Were these sockets replaced?
I admit, I originally didn’t see the third photo showing the backs of them…. Had they been removed for replacement, or just removed, photo, and put back on?

I suppose the other issue, it can be argued that there was no fault on the lights “at the time of the test”…. But I would still think there would be signs of dampness under an IR test.

Maybe low, but not low enough to say it’s a fault?

 

[DPG]

If the sockets have been replaced why would you list it.?

I don't think they have been have they? This is an EICR. A different company may even be doing gany remedial work.

 

[uc1987]

I don't think they have been have they? This is an EICR. A different company may even be doing gany remedial work.

Going by the pictures the sockets look to be disconnected and removed.

 

[DPG]

Going by the pictures the sockets look to be disconnected and removed.

True, but could have just been for the photo. But the question was what code should they be given.

 

[uc1987]

True, but could have just been for the photo. But the question was what code should they be

 

[uc1987]

Looks like this is an overload and negligence by the user whoever that maybe. You would have to test the circuit and then determine whether it's the socket or a wiring issue and then code accordingly.

 

[LukeD]

If the sockets are replaced than the test is carried out. There is no reason to put this in the certificate as any C code

Really ...the test is what is found .Then any issues get sorted/new sockets etc .The whole purpose of the test was to clarify a complaint that the first EICR never noted them as been an issues .

 

[LukeD]

Going by the pictures the sockets look to be disconnected and removed.

Photos of sockets after removal .

 

[uc1987]

Really ...the test is what is found .Then any issues get sorted/new sockets etc .The whole purpose of the test was to clarify a complaint that the first EICR never noted them as been

 

[LukeD]

And the second guy wont class them as a C2 when he found them on arrival still in use .

yep..Interesting that its normally the Other pin . so could be some form of appliance issue etc etc . BUT thats nothing to do with the report ! Its not what was used its the condition of the circuits and fittings etc.

 

[uc1987]

Really ...the test is what is found .Then any issues get sorted/new sockets etc .The whole purpose of the test was to clarify a complaint that the first EICR never noted them as been an issues .

Not sure where you're getting your information from. If the socket is replaced and than a full test has been done. Why would you code it?

 

[LukeD]

Not sure where you're getting your information from. If the socket is replaced and than a full test has been done. Why would you code it?

Report is what was found Not what was left . The purpose of the test was made clear to them' "Code as you find " . Not Code after completion .Otherwise whats the point of the Test ???

Observations are things which are wrong with your installation that need rectifying and they are coded based on their risk level.​

Fixed Wire Testing ensures your electrical installations are safe and it is governed by the IET Wiring Regulations, the latest version of which is the 18th Edition also referred to as BS 7671 (which came into affect on 1 January 2019).

After completing the fixed wire testing of your installations, your specialist electrical contractor will supply you with an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR). This report will indicate any problems or ‘observations’ which are coded according to their risk factor, but what do these codes mean?

Need Fixed Wire Testing?Speak to the team

Observations are recorded on your Fixed Wiring Report, also known as as an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR). They are things which are wrong with your installation that need rectifying and they are coded according to their danger level, using the codes C1, C2, C3 and FI.

Code C1​

A Code 1 (C1) observation means ‘ Danger present. Risk of injury. Immediate remedial action required.’

A C1 represents an immediate threat to the safety of your employees, customers or guests and should be rectified or made safe as soon as possible.

An example of a C1 defect would be accessible live conductors due to damage, poorly modified enclosures or removed maintenance panels. Incorrect polarity would also attract a code C1 as it may allow conductive parts, not normally expected to be live, to become live.

Once a C1 threat is identified, your Intersafe engineer will inform the duty holder or responsible person for the installation immediately, both verbally and in writing, of the risk of injury that exists. Access to the faulty circuit may even be blocked, or the circuit turned off until the the defect is fixed.

Code C2​

A Code 2 (C2) is not as severe as a C1, but is still a potentially dangerous defect. They may not pose an immediate threat but are likely to become a danger in the future. A C2 is described as ‘Potentially dangerous – urgent remedial action required.’

The phrase “potentially dangerous”, in the C2 code is designed to point towards a risk of injury from contact with live parts after a sequence of events. A sequence of events could mean that an individual may gain access to live parts through a day to day task that would not usually be expected to give access to live parts.

Code FI​

 

[uc1987]

Report is what was found Not what was left . The purpose of the test was made clear to them' "Code as you find " . Not Code after completion .Otherwise whats the point of the Test ???

Observations are things which are wrong with your installation that need rectifying and they are coded based on their risk level.​

Fixed Wire Testing ensures your electrical installations are safe and it is governed by the IET Wiring Regulations, the latest version of which is the 18th Edition also referred to as BS 7671 (which came into affect on 1 January 2019).

After completing the fixed wire testing of your installations, your specialist electrical contractor will supply you with an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR). This report will indicate any problems or ‘observations’ which are coded according to their risk factor, but what do these codes mean?

Need Fixed Wire Testing?Speak to the team

Observations are recorded on your Fixed Wiring Report, also known as as an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR). They are things which are wrong with your installation that need rectifying and they are coded according to their danger level, using the codes C1, C2, C3 and FI.

Code C1​

A Code 1 (C1) observation means ‘ Danger present. Risk of injury. Immediate remedial action required.’

A C1 represents an immediate threat to the safety of your employees, customers or guests and should be rectified or made safe as soon as possible.

An example of a C1 defect would be accessible live conductors due to damage, poorly modified enclosures or removed maintenance panels. Incorrect polarity would also attract a code C1 as it may allow conductive parts, not normally expected to be live, to become live.

Once a C1 threat is identified, your Intersafe engineer will inform the duty holder or responsible person for the installation immediately, both verbally and in writing, of the risk of injury that exists. Access to the faulty circuit may even be blocked, or the circuit turned off until the the defect is fixed.

Code C2​

A Code 2 (C2) is not as severe as a C1, but is still a potentially dangerous defect. They may not pose an immediate threat but are likely to become a danger in the future. A C2 is described as ‘Potentially dangerous – urgent remedial action required.’

The phrase “potentially dangerous”, in the C2 code is designed to point towards a risk of injury from contact with live parts after a sequence of events. A sequence of events could mean that an individual may gain access to live parts through a day to day task that would not usually be expected to give access to live parts.

Code FI​

Who is requesting

Report is what was found Not what was left . The purpose of the test was made clear to them' "Code as you find " . Not Code after completion .Otherwise whats the point of the Test ???

Observations are things which are wrong with your installation that need rectifying and they are coded based on their risk level.​

Fixed Wire Testing ensures your electrical installations are safe and it is governed by the IET Wiring Regulations, the latest version of which is the 18th Edition also referred to as BS 7671 (which came into affect on 1 January 2019).

After completing the fixed wire testing of your installations, your specialist electrical contractor will supply you with an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR). This report will indicate any problems or ‘observations’ which are coded according to their risk factor, but what do these codes mean?

Need Fixed Wire Testing?Speak to the team

Observations are recorded on your Fixed Wiring Report, also known as as an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR). They are things which are wrong with your installation that need rectifying and they are coded according to their danger level, using the codes C1, C2, C3 and FI.

Code C1​

A Code 1 (C1) observation means ‘ Danger present. Risk of injury. Immediate remedial action required.’

A C1 represents an immediate threat to the safety of your employees, customers or guests and should be rectified or made safe as soon as possible.

An example of a C1 defect would be accessible live conductors due to damage, poorly modified enclosures or removed maintenance panels. Incorrect polarity would also attract a code C1 as it may allow conductive parts, not normally expected to be live, to become live.

Once a C1 threat is identified, your Intersafe engineer will inform the duty holder or responsible person for the installation immediately, both verbally and in writing, of the risk of injury that exists. Access to the faulty circuit may even be blocked, or the circuit turned off until the the defect is fixed.

Code C2​

A Code 2 (C2) is not as severe as a C1, but is still a potentially dangerous defect. They may not pose an immediate threat but are likely to become a danger in the future. A C2 is described as ‘Potentially dangerous – urgent remedial action required.’

The phrase “potentially dangerous”, in the C2 code is designed to point towards a risk of injury from contact with live parts after a sequence of events. A sequence of events could mean that an individual may gain access to live parts through a day to day task that would not usually be expected to give access to live parts.

Code FI​

The only person giving instructions is the person paying the invoice. Most people will get these jobs done on the 1st visit to save money. Why would you prolonged such a small job I just don't understand?

 

[DPG]

Who is requesting

The only person giving instructions is the person paying the invoice. Most people will get these jobs done on the 1st visit to save money. Why would you prolonged such a small job I just don't understand?

He's asking opinions on what particular code people would give it. There has been a report done where a code wasn't given.

The only question here is what code would people give. Not 'would you change it?'.

Unless I've misunderstood.

 

[uc1987]

He's asking opinions on what particular code people would give it. There has been a report done where a code wasn't given.

The only question here is what code would people give. Not 'would you change it?'.

Unless I've misunderstood.

A socket that is not connected I wouldn't give it a code it.

 

[DPG]

A socket that is not connected I wouldn't give it a code it.

I think you're trolling. All good fun I suppose.

 

[LukeD]

A socket that is not connected I wouldn't give it a code it.

Ok...Council demanded landlord gets second EICR . First one "drive by" less than 20 mins no use of a MFT etc etc .Tenant get Council environmental health involved . They turn up .....Try reading the whole post ! Its a report of "Condition as found " Then codes get issued , customer say fix as required , Then Clean bill of health given

 

[uc1987]

I think you're trolling. All

Ok...Council demanded landlord gets second EICR . First one "drive by" less than 20 mins no use of a MFT etc etc .Tenant get Council environmental health involved . They turn up .....Try reading the whole post ! Its a report of "Condition as found " Then codes get issued , customer say fix as required , Then Clean bill of health given

20mins. Woow.. he must be super mans brother.

 

[LukeD]

20mins. Woow.. he must be super mans brother.

Its nasty...very vulnerable lady with 2 young kids etc .The landlord left them without a oven for 3-4 months at Christmas .They are really bullying her

 

[LukeD]

Update .... Council Environmental inspector came and showed concerns and said it still remains a NEICIC matter but its still the "Local Authority" who prosecute etc etc . He also noted some other issues that made the management company worry ! SO , today I hear back from NEICIC . Their main concern is they cannot locate the company V the Registration number . So thats not a good start for the Electrician ! The photos of the burnt sockets also have been mentioned and "past up the line " . So far so good .