any use in looking for an employer to put me through the NVQ?

[slippydippy]

i'm currently in a position alot of people are in, im 22 and currently hold the level 3 2365 and have about a year of industrial electrical experience.

my current company isn't really working out, and i really want to go for the NVQ. alot of the portfolio and the AM2 seem a bit intimatading, the idea of trying to fill everything while labouring as a mate seems like a tall order given you need to do everything in a year and half and there aren't to many companies that do everything. there are however occasionally apprentecip positions that pop up, obviously a company that offers one will be able to support me through the portfolio, but would they even bother taking on someone my age who has already completed college? Taking a smaller sallery would be totally fine for me, i just need to be working under a company that does the relivent work for the AM2 and NVQ.

my assumption is that this doesnt really happen and companies generally hire younger folk as they are cheaper and they get the tax breaks/levvys that come with hiring an apprentice

is my only real option working as a mate, company hopping and trying to fill everything in? or is there a realistic possibility of me finding an employer that can put me through an NVQ

any advice on the above would be great, cheers.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Have a look on twitter for Mark from Aprentice 121 he has many employers looking ofr apprentices/trainees and he would surely have contacts on your area for companies looking to recurit people in your position

https://twitter.com/electrician_247

Apprentice121

t.co

 

[swaRRR]

Don't look for an apprenticeship, you would have to redo your 2365.

 

[Lister1987]

Don't look for an apprenticeship, you would have to redo your 2365.

No he wouldn't as module's from the 2365 can be mapped over to the apprenticeship and so he would not be doing it all again

See;

http://cdn.cityandguilds.com/ProductDocuments/Building_Services_Industry/Electrical_Installation/2365/Centre_documents/2365_Assessment_Amendments_FAQs_Oct_17.pdf

Electrotech apprenticeship qualification

City & Guilds Electrotech apprenticeship qualification qualifications. Leading vocational education and training organisation.

www.cityandguilds.com

 

[swaRRR]

No he wouldn't as module's from the 2365 can be mapped over to the apprenticeship and so he would not be doing it all again

See;

http://cdn.cityandguilds.com/ProductDocuments/Building_Services_Industry/Electrical_Installation/2365/Centre_documents/2365_Assessment_Amendments_FAQs_Oct_17.pdf

Electrotech apprenticeship qualification

City & Guilds Electrotech apprenticeship qualification qualifications. Leading vocational education and training organisation.

www.cityandguilds.com

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What i meant was if you do an official apprenticeship you still have to do 3 years before you can be considered qualified and this includes going back to college for 2 of them.

I know three adult learners who have had to do this exact thing despite two of them having the 2365 level 3 already and the other having level 2.

 

[Lister1987]

What i meant was if you do an official apprenticeship you still have to do 3 years before you can be considered qualified and this includes going back to college for 2 of them.

I know three adult learners who have had to do this exact thing despite two of them having the 2365 level 3 already and the other having level 2.

That will down to the employer/college wanting to get the whole apprentice levy, NOT C&G, in fact such practice should be reported to them as it is not in the spirit of the scheme.

 

[swaRRR]

That will down to the employer/college wanting to get the whole apprentice levy, NOT C&G, in fact such practice should be reported to them as it is not in the spirit of the scheme.

You still have to go to college whether you are switching over or not though.

I don't see the point of going and doing an apprenticeship for poor money when you already hold the qualification that apprentices get after 2 years at college and you have good experience in the industrial sector.

It would be an apprenticeship in name only because it would be obvious you never did a real one - how long would this 'apprenticeship' even last in such a circumstance? You come in with Level 3, do 6 months on site to get your NVQ completed and now suddenly you 'did an apprenticeship'? I don't see how that would stack up for employers. It would mean you could do a 6 week course then spend 6 months getting a portfolio done whilst working under a company saying you did an apprenticeship and get the same as someone who did day release for 4 years.

Or do you still have to do the 4 years but on site? I know my apprenticeship dictated a minimum of 42 months.

Either way, it's less money, no prestige, time sink...seems pointless.

A much, much better way is to go on and get work as an improver. FWIW, i'm an 'improver' because i don't have my NVQ and i'm on more than a lot of sparks i know. Taking a pay cut for an 'apprenticeship' makes no sense - we go to work for money and i'm already on what a lot of electricians are on and more, so why take that backwards step when i can be out right now grafting for decent money? Ditching my apprenticeship that i was being paid slave wages for was the best thing i ever did, especially since you get taught by muppets most of the time, if they even bother to teach you anything at all.

 

[C_1993]

Is it possible to go on site as a mate/ improver while studying a level 2?

 

[swaRRR]

Is it possible to go on site as a mate/ improver while studying a level 2?

I'm an 'improver' and not got any level, just my 18th edition.

I'm also on more money than the electricians at the place i started at - achieved by moving jobs a lot.

 

[C_1993]

I'm an 'improver' and not got any level, just my 18th edition.

I'm also on more money than the electricians at the place i started at - achieved by moving jobs a lot.

How do the find the teaching aspect of it? as I was looking for an apprenticeship but I keep getting overlooked maybe due to age, I've had a few months work in domestic properties during my early 20's.

Did you need a full set of tools? Also are you looking to go an an adult evening course? As I was hoping to do the apprenticeship so I wouldn't have to pay