Apprentice - transport

[sythai]

Hi All

Just a quickie.... want to see what others think and if I'm being unreasonable?

I pick up and drop off my apprentice from his home address on a daily basis. He lives 5 mins drive down the road so no problem really.

He recently started driving and have asked on a Monday each week if he could make his own way to the lock up (5 mins drive from his house/ parking fine) to get the van loaded up ready for the week. And I'll meet him there, simples really.

The response I got was..... "I'm not using my car for work"

Wasnt best please with that, and made it quite clear what I thought.

Any thoughts please ?

Cheers Sy

 

[GMES]

I wouldn't be impressed if I were you either, ungrateful sod, remind him off the sacrifices you are making by giving him the opportunity
to become an electrician!!

 

[Besoeker]

Home to work is not using your car for work.

 

[Octopus]

Driving to the lock up is NOT using his car for work. Its a 1 day a week commute to the lock up.

How secure is the parking at the lock up - assuming that he then leaves it there all day!

 

[7029 dave]

The youth of today, gezzzzz.!!!

 

[sythai]

Just given the littler ******r a pay rise this week and thats the thanks I get ! Arrghhh

Parking is fine secure, no problem there what so ever.

Thought I was in the right, thanks for confirming that.

Best he has a think about what I've said over the weekend and does the right thing on Monday morning.

 

[GMES]

Things like this make me realise how lucky I am to have Darrel working for me, he never complains or objects to anything.

 

[Adam W]

As Murdoch says, It's not "using it for work", it's commuting to a fixed place of work, once a week. If you were asking him to drive to the lock up and put everything in his car and drive it to the job then maybe (although I've often been expected to use my car for work and never really thought too much about it).

If he doesn't want to drive to work then fine, he can walk to work - it's not your problem how he gets there.

If it was stipulated in his contract of employment that transport would always be provided to and from his front door, you might have to give him a couple of weeks notice if you need to get someone who is more sympathetic to the changing needs of the business.

 

[dazza1981]

I agree with the others here mate..... sounds to me like he's had it to good for to long !!!
I know exactly what i would have said to him but unfortunately i can't swear on here lol.
Tell him if he does not want to use his "car" to work then he can buy a mountain bike instead then the ungrateful swine !!!

 

[GMES]

Just given the littler ******r a pay rise this week and thats the thanks I get ! Arrghhh

Parking is fine secure, no problem there what so ever.

Thought I was in the right, thanks for confirming that.

Best he has a think about what I've said over the weekend and does the right thing on Monday morning.

And remind him that there are loads of guys out there who would be grateful for the chance of a proper apprenticeship.
And that if he is not happy, then to move aside and make way for somebody else.

 

[telectrix]

Pick him up from home. Charge him the 10 miles return trip as taxi fare £3/mile.

 

[dan86]

much the same as the others really. I can't see what the problem is. Its only one day a week after all.and it's only 5 mins! hopefully he makes the correct decision on Monday. Let us know the outcome.

 

[vernam616]

If its any consolation, they are all the same

Expect everything on a plate, i refuse to pick the apprentice up from home, he lives 25 mins away from the office and his only way in is via me as i have a van and he lives 5 mins away from me or 10 minute walk and still cant get in on time !

I sometimes drop him off close to home if im running late and they look at you as if you walked into their house on xmas day and ****ed on his kids

When i was apprentice i walked every single day with tools in tow, rain, snow etc.. and if i got a lift in or dropped off it was seen as a nice bonus !

 

[GMES]

Spoilt Brat's spring to mind!!
We probably seem like extras from an Hovis advert but they really have no concept of hard work or compromise.

 

[dazza1981]

Apprentices always think they have a hard time but i would never ask them to do anything i couldn't do or had to do when i was an apprentice !!!!

 

[vernam616]

Big problem is independance, maturity and that sense of being a burden to someone and being self sufficiant

I absolutley detest being a burden to anyone and always have done, which again boils down to independance, i have not met a apprentice yet who has any form of independance

 

[dazza1981]

Big problem is independance, maturity and that sense of being a burden to someone and being self sufficiant

I absolutley detest being a burden to anyone and always have done, which again boils down to independance, i have not met a apprentice yet who has any form of independance

Good point but can you say independance a few more times lol

 

[vernam616]

I know ! just realised ive spelt it wrong too !

 

[sythai]

This has really got me fuming..... going to sleep on it otherwise I'll end up giving him another earful down the phone in a minute.

We'll see what happens on Monday and I'll keep you posted.

 

[GMES]

They are just a different breed to us lot when we were younger.
I called in to my local cafe last week, and while waiting for my sausage and hard egg on toasted bread, I glance over to a table to see 2 approx 17-18 year old's sat across from each other having breakfast both had their iphone's on the table next to the plates texting and giggling. not once did either one look up from the phone to speak to the other one. Like a pair of pet mong's

 

[vernam616]

I really wouldn't let it bother you it isn't worth it, get rid before your in too deep with this clown !

 

[GMES]

This has really got me fuming..... going to sleep on it otherwise I'll end up giving him another earful down the phone in a minute.

We'll see what happens on Monday and I'll keep you posted.

Get him rung now mate fight fight fight!!

 

[sythai]

Might just have a few tinnys first... then see what happens!!!:rant::furious3:

 

[Adam W]

They are just a different breed to us lot when we were younger.
I called in to my local cafe last week, and while waiting for my sausage and hard egg on toasted bread, I glance over to a table to see 2 approx 17-18 year old's sat across from each other having breakfast both had their iphone's on the table next to the plates texting and giggling. not once did either one look up from the phone to speak to the other one. Like a pair of pet mong's

How do you know they weren't texting each other? That seems to be the only way kids are capable of communicating with each other nowadays, like Geordie and Tidyboiler only communicate with each other via electricians forums.

 

[davesparks]

I think it is a perfectly reasonable request to make his own way to work, especially if it is only one day a week.

But I would say it warrants a conversation with him to discuss it rather than a tantrum from you!

 

[shanky887614]

not everyones the same, i travel 30mins in car everyday to meet the guys

 

[dazza1981]

No don't ring him now as you'll say something you regret..... you know he's being a spoilt little sod so just remind him of that monday morning !!!!

 

[uksparks]

I pick my lad up once a week, I don't mind but admittedly it would only take him 10 mins to walk. I do feel he expects me to pick him up. He doesn't drive though. In your position id stick to your guns and tell him to drive.

 

[GMES]

not everyones the same, i travel 30mins in car everyday to meet the guys

What you do in your private life is up to you mate!!

 

[Octopus]

Situations like this need to done in a calm way over a tea or coffee. An recorded on the individuals HR records too!

 

[ipf]

I'd be expecting a bloody apology too, before monday morning..

 

[dazza1981]

Situations like this need to done in a calm way over a tea or coffee. An recorded on the individuals HR records too!

Agree totally,Even though secretly you want to pick him up and body slam his spoilt face into the ground.

 

[GMES]

Get him rung now mate fight fight fight!!

Might just have a few tinnys first... then see what happens!!!:rant::furious3:

Situations like this need to done in a calm way over a tea or coffee. An recorded on the individuals HR records too!

I think Murdoch's advice may just be the Better option.

 

[Iddy]

Tell him to Grow Up..Some people just dont appreciate what they have.

 

[dansk]

little ---- pot, I've had the same problems in the past, just pick the idiot up and at least you won't be late for work. or if he's slept in you can knock the door and wake the house up.

 

[shanky887614]

What you do in your private life is up to you mate!!

nah mate, im after woman i drive 30mins to go to the guys im working with

 

[uksparks]

not everyones the same, i travel 30mins in car everyday to meet the guys

I have heard about people like you, how do you do it? Wear a mask and walk into some woodland near a lay by? LOL.

Forgive me for my ignorance but are you male or female?

 

[GMES]

nah mate, im after woman i drive 30mins to go to the guys im working with

Is that a defensive posture you're adopting !! Ha ha

 

[GMES]

I have heard about people like you, how do you do it? Wear a mask and walk into some woodland near a lay by? LOL.

Forgive me for my ignorance but are you male or female?

A male but with a cracking Rack!!

 

[Adam W]

Just an idea, considering none of us were actually there - did you have a lengthy discussion about this where he point blank refused to cooperate, or could "I'm not using my car for work" have been a throwaway comment with little forethought?

Remembering back to when I started driving, I had a clapped out Peugeot 205 which was about the same age as me, in a faded green colourfully referred to by my mates as 'pondscum', with the obligatory rust patches. It cost me £350 and at the time it was the most precious thing in the world to me.
A couple of years later I gave it to a mate for a lift to Manchester airport.

 

[Resu]

Have to laugh at the OP. For the first year and a half of my apprenticeship, I travelled 35 miles (each way) to the office almost every day (depending on where we were working), in my own car at my own expense!

 

[atm84]

Who is he doing his apprenticeship through? JTL? Perhaps have a quick word with his mentor at JTL or other training body. See what they have to say and get them to have a word if needs be.

 

[davesparks]

Just have a calm and reasonable chat with the guy, explain that you are only currently picking him up out of generosity and that you could reasonably expect him to make his own way to your business address every day of the week!

There's no need to go having a tantrum or telling tales to his training provider, that's just making a mountain out of a molehill. He will then feel even less inclined to do any work!

 

[ipf]

Just have a calm and reasonable chat with the guy, explain that you are only currently picking him up out of generosity and that you could reasonably expect him to make his own way to your business address every day of the week!

There's no need to go having a tantrum or telling tales to his training provider, that's just making a mountain out of a molehill. He will then feel even less inclined to do any work!

Who's employing who, here?

 

[atm84]

Just have a calm and reasonable chat with the guy, explain that you are only currently picking him up out of generosity and that you could reasonably expect him to make his own way to your business address every day of the week!

There's no need to go having a tantrum or telling tales to his training provider, that's just making a mountain out of a molehill. He will then feel even less inclined to do any work!

I wasn't suggesting telling takes to anyone. I was suggesting asking the training provider what his opinion was. That doesn't necessarily constitute as telling tales.

 

[trev]

Who is he doing his apprenticeship through? JTL? Perhaps have a quick word with his mentor at JTL or other training body. See what they have to say and get them to have a word if needs be.

No way, he is the employer not JTL. He sets the rules not JTL. He dishes out the pats on the back or the kicks up the arse not JTL.

 

[Guest77]

Hi All

Just a quickie.... want to see what others think and if I'm being unreasonable?

I pick up and drop off my apprentice from his home address on a daily basis. He lives 5 mins drive down the road so no problem really.

He recently started driving and have asked on a Monday each week if he could make his own way to the lock up (5 mins drive from his house/ parking fine) to get the van loaded up ready for the week. And I'll meet him there, simples really.

The response I got was..... "I'm not using my car for work"

Wasnt best please with that, and made it quite clear what I thought.

Any thoughts please ?

Cheers Sy

Well I suggest you inform him that his place of work is the lock up, and you expect him to be there for 8 in the morning everyday, if he is late more than twice issue him with a verbal warning, another 2-3 times and a written warning, that will sort him out lol

 

[Geordie Spark]

Things like this make me realise how lucky I am to have Darrel working for me, he never complains or objects to anything.

-----!!!

 

[Geordie Spark]

Just have a calm and reasonable chat with the guy, explain that you are only currently picking him up out of generosity and that you could reasonably expect him to make his own way to your business address every day of the week!

There's no need to go having a tantrum or telling tales to his training provider, that's just making a mountain out of a molehill. He will then feel even less inclined to do any work!

..... and then kick seven shades of shyte out of him! :angry_smile:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Have to laugh at the OP. For the first year and a half of my apprenticeship, I travelled 35 miles (each way) to the office almost every day (depending on where we were working), in my own car at my own expense!

You used a CAR?????

I used either a bus or a bike - rain, hail snow or ****!!

Some folks don't know they're born!!!