Best type of lighting in stables

[Percyprod]

I have built a stable block consisting of two stables and a store. I have applied to have mains electricity installed, and as part p won't apply Iwill be wiring them myself. My question is do led strip lights have as much shadow as led floods. I have been using 12 volt floods, which are great but do cast shadows. I was thinking of fitting weather proof led strip lights, hoping they would be similar to the florescent strip lights. Any ideas?

 

[Octopus]

What brand of test equipment are you using.

 

[Percyprod]

It will be installed and tested to the latest regs. If you accept thet BS7671 isn't a legal requirement on it's own, but is accepted as the required standard for the building regulations part P, then if the Building Regs don't require it for a particular building then surely BS7671 doesn't apply. If you look at the Building Regs
The Building Regulations 2010

You are here:
· 2010 No. 2214
· SCHEDULE 2
· CLASS 3

Exemptions from building regulations

The building regulations part p states that buildings in Class 2 (Buildings not frequented by people) and Class 3 (Agricultural buildings) are exempt from part p.

Buildings not frequented by people


1. Subject to paragraph 2, a detached building—

(a)into which people do not normally go; or

2. A building used, subject to paragraph 3, for agriculture, or a building principally for the keeping of animals, provided in each case that—

(a)no part of the building is used as a dwelling;

A stable is for the housing of animals, it is not a dwelling.

Also definition of livestock and agriculture

The Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1968 (1968 Ch 34)

The definition of livestock given in Section 8(1) of the Act applies to animals being kept for the production of food, wool, skin or fur on agricultural land.

Agricultural land is defined in Section 8(1) as land used for the purpose of an agricultural trade or business

Also if you read the Building Regulations Part P, Section 2, 'Scope' 2.2
says what buildings are exempt.

From IET:
Q3: To what types of electrical work does Part P apply?

• In or attached to a dwelling
• In the common parts of buildings serving one or more dwellings, but excluding power supplies to lifts
• In a building that receives its electricity from a source located within or shared with a dwelling, and
• In a garden or in or on land associate with a building where the electricity supply is from a source located within or shared with a dwelling

The term dwelling includes houses, maisonettes and flats. It also applies to electrical installations in business premises that share an electricity supply with dwellings, such as shops and public houses with a flat above.

The common parts of buildings includes access areas in blocks of flats such as hallways and shared amenities in blocks of flats such as laundries and gymnasiums.

Part P applies to electrical installations located in outbuildings such as detached garages, sheds and greenhouses.

Part P applies to parts of electrical installations located on land around dwellings such as garden lighting.

I rest my case.

 

[Toneyz]

Did you not read what was posted by members ,what about your argument that it did not have to comply with BS7671 ? .

 

[Octopus]

It will be installed and tested to the latest regs. If you accept thet BS7671 isn't a legal requirement on it's own, but is accepted as the required standard for the building regulations part P, then if the Building Regs don't require it for a particular building then surely BS7671 doesn't apply. If you look at the Building Regs
The Building Regulations 2010

You are here:
· 2010 No. 2214
· SCHEDULE 2
· CLASS 3

Exemptions from building regulations

The building regulations part p states that buildings in Class 2 (Buildings not frequented by people) and Class 3 (Agricultural buildings) are exempt from part p.

Buildings not frequented by people


1. Subject to paragraph 2, a detached building—

(a)into which people do not normally go; or

2. A building used, subject to paragraph 3, for agriculture, or a building principally for the keeping of animals, provided in each case that—

(a)no part of the building is used as a dwelling;

A stable is for the housing of animals, it is not a dwelling.

Also definition of livestock and agriculture

The Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1968 (1968 Ch 34)

The definition of livestock given in Section 8(1) of the Act applies to animals being kept for the production of food, wool, skin or fur on agricultural land.

Agricultural land is defined in Section 8(1) as land used for the purpose of an agricultural trade or business

Also if you read the Building Regulations Part P, Section 2, 'Scope' 2.2
says what buildings are exempt.

From IET:
Q3: To what types of electrical work does Part P apply?

• In or attached to a dwelling
• In the common parts of buildings serving one or more dwellings, but excluding power supplies to lifts
• In a building that receives its electricity from a source located within or shared with a dwelling, and
• In a garden or in or on land associate with a building where the electricity supply is from a source located within or shared with a dwelling

The term dwelling includes houses, maisonettes and flats. It also applies to electrical installations in business premises that share an electricity supply with dwellings, such as shops and public houses with a flat above.

The common parts of buildings includes access areas in blocks of flats such as hallways and shared amenities in blocks of flats such as laundries and gymnasiums.

Part P applies to electrical installations located in outbuildings such as detached garages, sheds and greenhouses.

Part P applies to parts of electrical installations located on land around dwellings such as garden lighting.

I rest my case.

Best you review your sources ........... as I think you'll conclude that all wiring in the UK except as listed earlier in this thread should be installed to BS 7671

Part P and BS 7671 are 2 completely different things

You're not a spark are you?

 

[Andy78]

Building regulations and BS7671 are quite separate. The requirements for BS7671 do not depend upon the application of building regulations to a situation. How you don't know that after your time in the game I don't know.

 

[DPG]

Again you are confusing part P and the wiring regs. The wiring regs apply to all installs, whether farming, domestic, commercial, etc.

You have already admitted that your initial argument about it only applying to residences was wrong. You are digging yourself deeper the more you rabbit on.

 

[Percyprod]

Exactly. Part p is a legal requirement, bs7671 isn't. Part p doesn't cover the building concerned. End of story. But at the end of the day it is safe, installed and tested by an electrician.

 

[Toneyz]

Bluff

 

[DPG]

Exactly. Part p is a legal requirement, bs7671 isn't. Part p doesn't cover the building concerned. End of story. But at the end of the day it is safe, installed and tested by an electrician.

So your argument now is that it's because BS7671 isn't a legal requirement. You are presumably then saying that it isn't a requirement for domestic installs as well? Either you are just trolling for an argument or you really have misunderstood the system.

Every wiring installation needs testing and certifying, it may or may not however need notifying to building control as part of the building regs.

 

[Octopus]

Exactly. Part p is a legal requirement, bs7671 isn't. Part p doesn't cover the building concerned. End of story. But at the end of the day it is safe, installed and tested by an electrician.

And you claim this is you

ha ha ha

 

[suffolkspark]

Bet its all wired in t/e aswell..... and will burn down by all the rats attracted by your LIVESTOCK food!....

 

[Percyprod]

Yes, let's get straight. I'll ignore the insults, bit childish. The building is a stable. It is on it's own in a field. It will have it's own supply. It houses animals. Because of this it does not come under building control regs. Therefore Part p, and yes I do know the difference between them is not necessary as they are not a legal requirement, they are a Standard. Having said that the installation will be to the same standard as required by the regs, and the installation will be properly tested. But I don't need it to be signed off, and I am sure there will be no problem getting it metered. Horses are NOT livestock. And a live horse is a lot more expensive than a dead one.

 

[davesparks]

It will be installed and tested to the latest regs.

Which regulations are you referring to as the latest regs?
The latest version of the IEE wiring regulations is BS7671:2008 'IET wiring regulations, Seventeenth Edition'

So how can you say that you will be installing and testing to the latest regs, when the latest regs are the very standard which you are arguing doesn't apply?

 

[davesparks]

It will be installed and tested to the latest regs.

Which regulations are you referring to as the latest regs?
The latest version of the IEE wiring regulations is BS7671:2008 'IET wiring regulations, Seventeenth Edition'

So how can you say that you will be installing and testing to the latest regs, when the latest regs are the very standard which you are arguing doesn't apply?

 

[telectrix]

by the time he's finished arguing, it'll be the 19th.

 

[Strima]

BS7671 is to be used to ensure you remain compliant with EAWR 1989. If you chose not to install to BS7671 and cannot justify why you haven't done so then you are in breach of EAWR 1989.

A lot of members on here have given you very sound advice and guidance, it's your choice if you chose to accept or ignore this.

You may have been within the trade for 50 years with a DNO but you show a lot of ignorance with regards to the legal requirements of the end user and those that install and maintain their installations.

BCO is correct that this falls outside the scope of Part P however the BCO is incorrect that it falls outside the scope of BS7671.

 

[Andy78]

Horses are NOT livestock. And a live horse is a lot more expensive than a dead one.

Ah I get it now. Times are tight and carrots don't get any cheaper. Make sure you remember to sort out the geegee insurance before you switch on

 

[Percyprod]

Why does everyone assume the installation is not safe? I keep saying it will be to the standards required by the 17th edition, but as it is a standard and not a law it doesn't have to be carried out by a registered electrician. Why does Electricity at Work come into it?

 

[Simlec]

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (defra) tell you in there "Code of Practice for the Welfare of Horses, Ponies, Donkeys and their Hybrids" that your electrical installation should be installed/maintained and tested to current BS7671.

Part P has nothing to do with what you are doing full stop.

Now stop posting and get on with it and please post us some pictures of your finished installation please (but no pictures of your dead horses as its clear you dont have a clue what is required for the welfare of the animals).

 

[suffolkspark]

out of interest what have you wired it in?