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Not really. I think the online voting system was proved as being pretty robust unlike the clear social media pro leave manipulation that the public has been bombarded with over the last 40 odd years.You couldn't vote in the EU elections from your keyboard
And the doubts, facts and dodgy multiple signings of that petition make it less than representative
But if you must clutch at straws
Ok then. Clear vote last night for remain parties ahead of Brexit.
Not really. I think the online voting system was proved as being pretty robust unlike the clear social media pro leave manipulation that the public has been bombarded with over the last 40 odd years.
and it's only draught beer that's sold in pints. cans and bottles are in mL. spirits were 1/6 gill/measure. not anymore. and have you seen all the signs that have sprung up on motorways? each exactly 0.5kM spacing.
some supermarkets still sell milk in pints, but most are in litres.
we're all doomed. started with decimalisation. give us a shilling for theI've noticed signs approaching junctions are appearing with distances in Metres rather than yards
Do you admit that the "Remain" campaign was full of lies?
I've noticed signs approaching junctions are appearing with distances in Metres rather than yards
motorway distance signs are still all in miles up in the civilised world north of birmingham.
what made us laught last year was a major diversion on A roads for 6 months , the diversion signs were all in Polish.
You can add Murdoch media into the mix then. Apologies to our own Murdoch thoughFacebook founded 2004
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You can add Murdoch media into the mix then. Apologies to our own Murdoch though
Agreed... in fact, the question at the referendum was deliberately worded to sway people to vote remain... the logic was that if it's as harsh as Leave or Remain, the tendency would be to remain.....Leave or remain was quite a clear cut question....
In the long run... the EU will not exist in it's current form... the Euro will see to that. Getting out of it now, before it collapses would be fantasic !... if only the 'remainiacs' in Parliament would let us !!Personally, in the long run, I doubt whether leaving or staying in the EU will make much difference, to me or the country as a whole.
However, in the short term, I believe it’s going to be a disaster.
Just got to survive for another 10 years, then I can retire.
In the long run... the EU will not exist in it's current form... the Euro will see to that. Getting out of it now, before it collapses would be fantasic !... if only the 'remainiacs' in Parliament would let us !!
Agree. Go for a no deal Brexit and spend the next 40 years negotiating to get back to where we are now and probably being forced to take up the Euro as well.Personally, in the long run, I doubt whether leaving or staying in the EU will make much difference, to me or the country as a whole.
However, in the short term, I believe it’s going to be a disaster.
Just got to survive for another 10 years, then I can retire.
Agree. Go for a no deal Brexit and spend the next 40 years negotiating to get back to where we are now and probably being forced to take up the Euro as well.
That way the politicians can shift the blame onto us.What is the point of voting politicians into power if the public have to make all the important decisions via a referendum, especially with no knowledge, only propaganda as a source of information.
You obviously haven’t read it as this is a well known fallacy that’s been put around.You really need to do some reading !!!!!
Lisbon Treaty ring any bells
We will get the euro sooner than you think if we don't leave
You obviously haven’t read it as this is a well known fallacy that’s been put around.
When?You really need to do some reading !!!!!
Lisbon Treaty ring any bells
We will get the euro sooner than you think if we don't leave
We have an opt out, won't happen unless we want it to.You really need to do some reading !!!!!
Lisbon Treaty ring any bells
We will get the euro sooner than you think if we don't leave
Bit busy this morning Ung so can you cite these clauses please.Is this just an opinion, I will happily cite you some very worrying clauses within the Lisbon treaty or you can just look it up,
We have an opt out, won't happen unless we want it to.
What does it say? If you’re using it as an argument I assume you’ve read it so perhaps you can post a link.27 verses 1 will eventually over rule that.
What does it say? If you’re using it as an argument I assume you’ve read it so perhaps you can post a link.
By verse do you mean article?
Bit busy this morning Ung so can you cite these clauses please.
Sorry Snow, I misunderstood what you were saying.27 verses 1 will eventually over rule that.
We have an opt out, won't happen unless we want it to.
The other 27 Countries would eventually overcome the U.K opt out.
I seem to recall that the turnout was lower in Remain supporting....Given we should have left the EU did the leavers stay at home and not bother to vote...
It'll be bargained away to fix a problem that the EU have created... Blair was close to giving Gibraltar to the Spanish until he realised the backlash and lack of internal political benefit...Sorry Snow, I misunderstood what you were saying.
But no, we will not lose our opt out unless we give it up.
One thing on our side is that there are 9 countries, including the UK, that do not use the Euro. The most vocal "anti" country is Poland
Good post Darkwood. Where did you get your figures on foreign investment? FT has said that it’s at its lowest level for six years and that investment by UK firms in Europe is up 12%The bad thing Spin is that the EU is a ring fenced trade body, been in it gives a certain guarantee of economical growth which is wonderful if you are one of the existing or joining poorer nations but the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world and been part of the EU means our economy is been artificially held back, this can easily be shown by decades of the worlds economical growth figures. If you are in the EU then your economy over the last 2 decades grew far slower than the rest of the western worlds trading economies.
The other problems with been locked into the EU is anti-competition regulations, the problem of a ring fenced system is lack of competition from the rest of the world because the goods are either tariffed and/or regulations imposed that makes it hard for other free markets to comply.. this has some serious negative effects:-
-Quality of good fall over time
-Prices for those goods rises
-Workers making those goods are often less skilled and underpayed
I can vouch definitely for this as I import Italian machinery which is often overpriced, non compliant and poor design and quality and yet I cannot directly bring in better quality, higher standard gear from other nations because of imposed tariffs etc which in a free market we could do and benefit as an economy and a nation.
I constantly hear remainers saying the EU is about free trade between members but this is all a smoke screen, this free trade only helps the massive corporations that are big enough to lean on the EU, the rest of the system punishes middle and small business with tariffs on goods and the end buyer too, the most basics in goods or the essentials like food, clothing etc which you need are heavily tariffed, this is something that effect the poorest the hardest, if we left we could set our own tariffs and set a competitive market against the EU which if it wanted to compete would be forced to reduce its own tariffs ... this is why the EU is so desperate we remain in the customs union and why I believe we are been cheated on with the referendum, the UK is one of the EU's biggest customers with its trade and financial contributions, leaving would leave a massive dent in for the EU while the UK benefits from the savings it makes on contribution and the cheaper better quality goods competition brings as we trade under our own terms that suit our needs and not those of a ring fenced system.
This is basic business sense on a national scale, the economy forecast is what investors look at, isn't it strange over the last few yrs that foreign investment into our shores has been at record highs while respectively the EU has seen a big fall... all in the light of Brexit, the only thing that has slowed down our investment recently is there now seems to be a chance we will be tied somehow to the customs union which has spooked those same investors.
Although it's a old thread, you have answered your own question here, investment in UK is at an all time high 2017-18 and EU has fallen, given that the UK has a bigger economy than the vast majority of EU members combined, in respect we can evaluate it to the EU losing 18 members given our contribution, the reason why we are in this situation is a remainer did a deal that a country would do only in a surrender situation, she never put our strongest card on the table hence the laughed at us and ignored Mays cries.... now the tables have turned because the default is no deal legally so the EU WILL DO A LAST MINUTE DEAL... the 15 countries that depend on our trade is a very strong card... or you can listen to the biased media who even the BBC get millions in funding from the EU.Good post Darkwood. Where did you get your figures on foreign investment? FT has said that it’s at its lowest level for six years and that investment by UK firms in Europe is up 12%
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