Campaign for an electrician's licence scheme...Please Read...

[RexT]

Hi Acat,

I agree with you about the MPs. They are quick to come round asking for your vote, promising a great deal and after the election the selective memory bit kicks in and we have to wait etc. It would be good to keep a record and try to do something positive. The public are very quick to blame someone when there is a problem and it would be good to get people to realise the truth.

Good comments,

Best wishes

Rex

 

[Roggi]

Who would support the introduction of a Licence scheme for electricans, as used in Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc etc.

Well, you can.

I have heard so many electrcians say "what we need is a licensing scheme like in Australia, that would solve the problem..... But it will never happen"

Take a look at L-E-C.org.uk - The Licensed Electricians Campaign

If the vast majority of electricians supported this campaign, the government wiould have to listen and act.

Comments please.

I agree we do need some regulation against these one day courses and at the end of it your a sparks but how will this work and somewhere another governing body will be making money out of the poor sparks...There seems to be more money in training then the actual job these days

 

[stef]

I the think' time served' and apprenticeships is something from the previous century. An electrician is first and foremost an electrical engineer. To be an engineer you need to go to college and study science, maths etc. I dont want to be called a Spark. That sound stupid and reminds me of fat block in dirty overalls. It should be professional. It does not take 4 years to learn how to bend conduit. Another thing, installation methods, tegnology etc are changing so quickly that somebody who did an apprenticeship 40years ago, I mean, it means nothing to me. I used to think an electrician is somebody like a tradesman, but they are not, they are much more. Eduacation should be much more important and experience less so. If you completed your studies as a doctor, you are a doctor. You dont have to have 4 years hospital experience and do an apprenticeship. Going to college is hard and diffecult. Not everybody can do it. But times are changing. Quite a few older electricians feel threatened by the new breed of electrician that focus more on academic eduacation rather than practical experience. But the electrical industry is changing, what was good 40 years ago, does not cut it anymore.

Yeah, I felt the same until someone convinced me to join the IET as a professional. The assessment was quite time consuming and work intensive but now I am classified as a professional Engineering Technician. I had to prove my qualifications, knowledge and achievements (and that wasn't cheap)
but at least I have a professional status. Quite a bit worth in the industry.

 

[JAKES DAD]

Hi Yes good idea. What would the minimum quals be.would I qualify 55 years old, 35 years in the trade C&G Electricians certificate, 15th & 16th editions.

 

[Lec]

Hi Yes good idea. What would the minimum quals be.would I qualify 55 years old, 35 years in the trade C&G Electricians certificate, 15th & 16th editions.

Yes you would at the appropriate level.
There would be a number of levels, like the schemes run around the world at present.
Take a look at some of the links on my web site and you will see what I mean.
My question to you is why no 17th Ed?
If you carry out electrical work, how do you know if what you do meets the current regs, if you don't know what the 17th Ed contains and how if differs from the 16th.

 

[m25maintenance]

guys i understand all ur points. in the real world most customers hear the word cheap b4 papers. so if they dont bother looking for quals, then thats their problem. i know we are losing income to cow boys but just be proud of the job u do, and do it to the best of ur ability and 4get the other idiots out there. when 10 people burn to death then the gov will wake up

 

[elektrisien]

I agree, there are too many electricians that dont have the qualifications too be deemed professional. You should have at least NVQ3, City and Guilds level 3, Inspection and testing 2392.../2391 and the 17th edition. That will keep foreign competition out, and all the semi-skilled that call them self electricians. That is the only way forward. Nowadays anybody call themselves electricians on experience or intensive courses. You should do the time and spent the money to qualify yourself. Bottoms up !!!

 

[confused-fuse]

what is this EU-ELECTRICIANS card i keep hearing when i'm out and about and thay say part-p is only for english trained electricians.. a friend of mine asked some forign sparky who was working on a building site for homes .. he said he as no UK quals what so ever and a agent got him the job from his country " someone else tests the end job " .. i see why thay is no work for the british sparky.. i do agree on some parts of a licanse for sparkies but saying that how many clients ask can you fit this for me .. new lighting,new sockets,new switches thay have gone out and paid for.. if thay stop all electrical items for none trade alot of shops would close down . light the lighting bug who sell alot of lighting,elecrtical fitting ect..

 

[Jason Smith]

what is this EU-ELECTRICIANS card i keep hearing when i'm out and about and thay say part-p is only for english trained electricians.. a friend of mine asked some forign sparky who was working on a building site for homes .. he said he as no UK quals what so ever and a agent got him the job from his country " someone else tests the end job " .. i see why thay is no work for the british sparky.. i do agree on some parts of a licanse for sparkies but saying that how many clients ask can you fit this for me .. new lighting,new sockets,new switches thay have gone out and paid for.. if thay stop all electrical items for none trade alot of shops would close down . light the lighting bug who sell alot of lighting,elecrtical fitting ect..

Our industry is the same as shops. Competition is very healthy, and improves the service to customers and keeps a lid on prices. That is why we must never have one licence provider, when we vote in a government, we have a choice of who we vote for, and who doesnt get in provides the opposition that prevents us having DICTATORS that say, as history suggests do actually that, Dictate. like in other countries. We all have our personal choice of scheme providers, keep them in competition with each other and we will be be well looked after. Would you like a dictator telling you you have to spend another £1k on xyz ?
Dont think so. I like a choice of who supplies my gas, where I buy my food, which scheme provider I use etc. They have to attract my business and provide sufficent incentive to extract me from my money. Rule Britania !! One licence provider- Get stuffed !!

 

[Jason Smith]

I agree we do need some regulation against these one day courses and at the end of it your a sparks but how will this work and somewhere another governing body will be making money out of the poor sparks...There seems to be more money in training then the actual job these days

Tell me where there is a one day course that will qualify you as a sparks.....

 

[confused-fuse]

ebay 1 day part-p gola exam 20 questions 40mins 100% passrate £149.00 5day 2931 100% passrate or resit for free £300.. thay are a few on ebay you can pay and do ... anyone can do them no formal exams needed

 

[jcarlie]

This is the exact reason why we are in the position we are in.There should not be a quicker or alternative route to becoming fully qualified electrician.In my view everyone must have to undergo the same training for the same length of time before they are deemed "competent".I used to work for British Gas,they put some of their alarm engineers on a 12 month training scheme,which included 2391,when this was challenged at a team meeting the response was the exact reason why these courses are so prevalent "WHERE IN THE REGS DOES IT SAY YOU HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED?,IT ONLY SAYS YOU NEED TO BE COMPETENT".This loophole or whatever you wanna call it needs closing,its complete and utter bull****.This is the reason why you can get on these courses that ,in my view ,are undermining the whole industry,Keeping the wages down and endorsing fasttrack qualification

 

[andyb]

"WHERE IN THE REGS DOES IT SAY YOU HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED?,IT ONLY SAYS YOU NEED TO BE COMPETENT".

At my assessment last week my assessor told me about 2 'electricians' that failed the previous week.

1 had no main bonding anywhere, he seemed to think that he did not need to install it if he was only doing an addition.
2 had wired a tt system in such a way that the neutral became live when the rcd tripped.

Both were fully qualified time served 'electricians', neither were competent.

As I've said before on this forum, read some of the posts by electricians asking questions before their 1st assessment, most fully qualified, but certainly not competent.

I would say you need to be both qualified & competent.

 

[confused-fuse]

i have been in the electronics & electrical trade for years 1983 i started collage and im still doing courses and other stuff
training never ends when your in this trade either computers/networks/eletrical/electronic i think i'm time served but i'm doing my 2391 at the moment just to keep upto date with regs ? if you call it that.. and before someone say what about all the other c&g or nvq .. i did my 15th year ago .. i have c&g 224 electronic servicing lvl 3 ,2377 pat testing,ham radio,microsoft A+,MSCE, i had a break for 2 years due to cancer and other medical problems.. and im back doing electrical stuff i know someone going to slam me and say your not qualified to do anywork .. but i am if you have someone watching over you till i get my t&i and i always do things by the book..

right now what this green/yellow wire doing on this gas pipe .. (JOKE)

 

[JAKES DAD]

Sounds very idealistic and not very realistic to me. If people who want to pay cheap for electrical work can't get it done cheap, they're more likely to either leave it, get a mate to do it or have a go themselves.

Yep. Got it in one. The cuts,massive local government job losses are on the horizon again.Money talks the cheaper the better,especially in the North of England where I live.The LABC wallers will be for the chop,cheapo privatised contractors will be manning the desks at the local councils,if you think its not getting policed now wait till this time next year
BTW the Tories are going to look at the Building regs in a view to cutting them down to size.I have got a link if any bodys interested. THE COUNTRY IS NIGH ON BANKRUPT,to much red tape and crap like that stifeling the private sector Time served sparks only.Been in the trade 35 years and still learning.
Close the bloody dodgy training (pay yer money add water, hey presto instant Spark)centers.
Money should be ploughed into getting the 16 year old kids into apprenticeships, not 40 year old IT workers having a midlife crisis cause the daft adverts on the tele say there is a shotage of Sparks in the UK, train to be one and earn 75K per year.Shortage of Sparks my arse, shortage of work more like

 

[b-spark]

Dont we already have this in the UK- Niceic is a charity, all profits go to the electrical safety
councill, - The secretary of state says that a person can only be registered with a competent persons body if he/she can pass an assesment etc, with work produced- This again is Napitt, elecsa, niceic etc- The link above once again, infers some kind of slur on those that were able to do a short course. Whether you did a short course or not, you wont get through a first assesment if you lack practical skills and technical electrical knowledge.

Im sorry to ad but the whole part p is a sorry state of affairs. I had my mate look at the whole document regarding this comp person scheme.
This guy works for one of the top three lawyer firms in england.
He's told me if you were to carry on working but producing certs and doing by the regs while not under a scheme the law cant touch you!
If you notice on building plans it will say elec's to be done under part scheme or bs7671 produced to local building control. Also note any scheme can only kick out a member who cant comply to there requirements.They cant take them to court nor can they take action on anybody not conforming to part p.
If you ever read the latest law action in regards to elec safety is only after the business has not corrected the works.After being given chances
Its a very very poor regulation which got pushed through the labour party to mark up their books rather than our benifits.
We do need something like this to happen Its very hard to define a comp person and not after all the law will only do you on the 1985 elec act not bs7671.

 

[UNG]

If you carry out electrical work, how do you know if what you do meets the current regs, if you don't know what the 17th Ed contains and how if differs from the 16th.

Do you have to pass an exam to actually prove you can read and understand the regs?

That is like saying anyone who has recently entered the industry can't do inspection and testing because they don't understand the 15th or 16th edition regs and most installations wired to those regs are still safe and compliant with those versions

 

[cantabrian9]

YEH I AGREE us sparks could do with some sought of licence? it does appear on this forum that it is more for housebashers(no problem i can do that work BUT SLOW!!) when you do get on a proper job(no offence)you will find allsorts!!! moan to the engineer and they say dont worry they will be long gone and you proper sparks will still be AROUND TO SORT THE S--- OUT thats life with the money on offer for a proper SPARK is it REALLY WORTH IT

 

[tommy56]

cant believe people are falling for this crap.

More exspense for the sparks, just another quango with no real power.

Your never gonna stop someone from doing electrical work even though

they aint licensed, its not humanly possible.


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[JAKES DAD]

cant believe people are falling for this crap.​

More exspense for the sparks, just another quango with no real power.​

Your never gonna stop someone from doing electrical work even though​

they aint licensed, its not humanly possible.​

My sentiments also, **** Part stealth tax(I mean p ) 55 years old been in the Electrical contracting industry all my life, been self employed for 17 years, first thing I did when I went SE was to buy full set of test equipment,and the green NICEIC test sheets and 2 million PL insurance.Always test my work and issue test certs. I am certainly not going to pay some bloody jobsworth scam providors my hard earned cash for somthing I have been doing since day 1.Why carnt these scams be free.Get rid of non time served domestic installer cowboys kitchen fitters and the like,carnt they make enough money sticking to the trade they know without encroaching and stealing work from TS sparks greedy *******s.
Part P is dead and buried.

 

[blackiel]

12 week course...4 grand..as long as youve got basic english...well done new citizen..youre a SPARKS...sides hanging out yer back pocket whilst on yer way down the Cafe...You should have to work as a mate,with comprehensive proof,after completing these courses,for at least two years,without a doubt,dont care how clever you are,over 25 years since i qualified and im still learning everyday,its too complex a job to just brush off,like plastering,painting etc,its always updating,new discoveries,i know sparks,good ones,older than me that still get bewildered by things that have happened,a book can only help youre learning,life and experience can only teach you how to write the book!!!

 

[cantabrian9]

SPOT ON (if yer were a joiner YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD) I am so pleased i am almost out of the GAME it used to be a interesting profession always something new cropping up

 

[Voltimax]

I think some of you here need to look deeper into the scheme providers and their practices. I was a Napit NTA council member and you would be shocked at what goes on. The sooner the current scheme providers are out of the picture the better. Work it out. Napit alone have 6500 members who each pay about £400 a year, thats 2.6 million pounds a year! Imagine what the NICEIC are raking in. None of them care if they have sub standard members, just so long as the public don't find out. I have seen a letter from trading standards to the NICEIC demanding them to kick out a member because his work was so poor. They took no notice, thats the power they have.

 

[DarrenB]

I completely agree with the introduction of an electricians licence.The problem that we now have,though,is that government has created the revenue raising part-p scheme.Quite rightly,there are an awful many people out there who have paid their monies,done short courses etc,and are now legally trading in the domestic electrical enviroment.To turn around now and tell them they no longer can trade would cause real anger amongst these peoples.It's a ridiculous situation created by government.
I'm a big believer in qualifications/exams.Yes,we all know of someone who was good on theory but less able in the manual stuff.But thats what a full electricians course finds out.You have to do full on theory,with challenging written exams at the end to challenge your know how of the latest edition of BS7671.Then theres the AM2,which checks your ability to do the manual side of the electricians job.
Someone who passes both these disciplines can rightly call themselves an electrician.Failure to pass either one of these disciplines and,im sorry to say,you shouldn't have the right to call yourself an electrician.
There is a system in place,and has been for many years......its called city & guilds qualifications.There are records available,i'm sure,that could tell anyone who wants to know who is qualified,and for what they are qualified.That should be the base point for a person wishing to call themselves an electrician.
For anyone to say that gaining a full city & guilds electrical qualification means little is,frankly,naive.

Darren

 

[RexT]

Hi Guys,

I was told that the NICEIC have changed their name recently, does anyone know if this is the case and why it is?

Thanks,

Rex

 

[andyb]

Hi Guys,

I was told that the NICEIC have changed their name recently, does anyone know if this is the case and why it is?

Thanks,

Rex

They changed the group name to Ascertiva (I don't know why)

But the Niceic is still the same with the same name.

 

[RexT]

Hi Andy,

Thanks, didnt realise it was the group thing. Just wondered as when the name changes normally there are other changes, like the ownership or conditions etc.

Best wishes

Rex

 

[andyemms]

I agree something needs to be done. When I started to re-train as an electrician 3 years ago I had no knowledge of the industry and find it rather annoying and disturbing that people out there are doing what I do, without doing the training I have done! There needs to be a strict licencing scheme and a card issued, we also need some sort of legislation preventing the sale of electrical components to unlicenced persons. You can't change a consumer unit if you cant buy one!

 

[m25maintenance]

yea stop selling electrical goods to the public and ill sell on the black market,lol

 

[cantabrian9]

yeh ,im back!! i still think some form of licencing scheme could work BUT AT NO COST TO US LOT!!but even if such a system got going there would still be the back-door boys around i cant see the goverment or the other so called bodies (jib,niceic (is that one correct?) and others?) really bothering if a person has,nt the right ticket (like i have wrote in the past with my jib ticket (put it away it may embarrass some-one)just one more small point, i have just finished a job (shopfitting)the man in charge blew 2 sparks??? out, 8 days before the job ended cos they were a liability!!me and the other spark had to sort the s---e they had left, but like CONFUCIUS quoted (MANY HANDS MAKE LIGHT? WORK) ALSO got pulled up cos i didn,t have a ecs ticket!!

 

[High Tower]

I am in favour in principle I think this should be a elitist trade because of the skill and knowledge required to be competent I think that we should be in the same place as gas fitters with their register. The only thing I object to is the notion of a licence only available to "time served" sparks. I made the wrong choices at 16 and devoted my adolescent years to being a chef, and make no mistakes I have been employed in some of the finest Michelin star restaurants but it is not what I
Want to do and I have always wished I had been a spark so I work 60hrs a week at work and then spend one of my rest days at college re- training and the other day trying to do some work to build my competence. So I would hope that I would be eligible.

 

[Phil]

I am in favour in principle I think this should be a elitist trade because of the skill and knowledge required to be competent I think that we should be in the same place as gas fitters with their register. The only thing I object to is the notion of a licence only available to "time served" sparks. I made the wrong choices at 16 and devoted my adolescent years to being a chef, and make no mistakes I have been employed in some of the finest Michelin star restaurants but it is not what I
Want to do and I have always wished I had been a spark so I work 60hrs a week at work and then spend one of my rest days at college re- training and the other day trying to do some work to build my competence. So I would hope that I would be eligible.

not alone there, I too made rubbish career choices at 16 and like you a worked some un savoury hours two nights at college and the rest of my spare time with my head in a book and grabbing every bit of experience i could because no one seemed to want a post 19 electrician on their books. i wish i had have done it at 16 but hind sight is a great thing. but so is working hard to obtain your goal good on you for sticking with it as it for me was not an easy ride but well worth every minute and the pride i felt when i could say i was an electrician as sad as it sounds made me grin

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Got to remember you can also do a 4 week domestic gas installers course as I basically retrained from the electro-mech field to domestic electrician in 4 weeks too. But I feel I wave a wealth of experiance behind me, but do not hold many of the quals banded about on this thread.

Quals mean nothing if you cant put them into practice, and not just under exam conditions on pretty rigs. I have come across many shocking (pardon the pun) installs be so called "time served" sparks under the banner of Part P schemes. At the end of the day, I take pride in my work, understand the regs and work to them no matter what. Word of mouth gets me 90% of my work on recomendation and have no probs with any of my installs being inspected at random intervals throughout the year (prob a good idea)

I watch with interest...............

 

[Phil]

too true graham i know a few people who have no knowledge of electrics but could pass probably even the 91 if they were given a book for a couple of months. that really does not make them competent and thats the key word for an electrician for my opinion you need not only the tech side but also the practical experience that only on the job gives. I have seen good and bad and both with and without quals etc

 

[ricardo123]

Just found this thread really good.

Haven't read all the threads but here are my thoughts.

Most dangerous works I have seen are from kitchen fitters, plumbers and diy'ers. Most sparks works are generally acceptable. I don't think other trades should be allowed to do a sparkies work and I think only electricians should be allowed to buy electrical materials from a wholesalers, etc.

I have just had a look at the Licencing web site but isn't this what the JIB should be for. I mean how many things do we need, the IEE, HSE, TRUSTMARK, ELECSA, ECA, NICEIC, NAPIT, PARTP, JIB, LABC, c'mon Mr Cameron, this one's ripe for some streamlining.

 

[maddfridge]

hi everyone

the whole lot should be under the JIB simple no one else no niceic eca etc simple jib should be like gas safe!

the trade bodies then could represent the electricians

Part P should be scrapped period and all the two week electricians should be tested under the elctrotechnical assessment scheme

Diy stores should be stopped from selling sockets etc for diy use

ah a song comes to mind if i ruled the world everyday would be last day of pat testing lol

 

[m25maintenance]

wat a load of kak. it will never happen, this is england. nobody checking until sum poor sole dies.iv called 20 people in the london area advertising as sparks and i said i need a spark but will need 2 c papers b4 job starts, only 2 of them called back, typical advert reads. plumber electrician handyman in other words unqualified idiot

 

[LukeD]

In my opinion you can have new schemes, licenses, cards etc every year if you so wish. None of them will ever mean a single thing until they are POLICED, and reports of dodgy/un-licensed work are followed up and PUNISHED.

Bang on ! THis is the only way.

 

[Big n Daft]

Just found this thread really good.

Haven't read all the threads but here are my thoughts.

Most dangerous works I have seen are from kitchen fitters, plumbers and diy'ers. Most sparks works are generally acceptable. I don't think other trades should be allowed to do a sparkies work and I think only electricians should be allowed to buy electrical materials from a wholesalers, etc.

I have just had a look at the Licencing web site but isn't this what the JIB should be for. I mean how many things do we need, the IEE, HSE, TRUSTMARK, ELECSA, ECA, NICEIC, NAPIT, PARTP, JIB, LABC, c'mon Mr Cameron, this one's ripe for some streamlining.

On the money.
The problem is the dinosaur spark. You all know one, lots of knowledge with a C+G pt 1+2 and is still 15th edition. His cv shows that he has worked all over and on everything. He looks at his trade, see's the 4 week spark and doesnt like it.
These men have so much to pass on but are treated like lepers. A single body, with a sympathetic view and willingness to recognise the acheivements, should help them get up to date via assessments and grants for 17th courses. Not try to extract as much cash as possible and alienate them.
Most of the time an experienced spark works to the regs without even knowing, its in the blood.
It is what the JIB is for, but its got no teeth and is part of the rip the trades off cartel. I have got a 5yr JIB apprenticship and was not considered for a job because I was told an NVQ was the qualification. In the real world a JIB card is useless outside a JIB firm.

 

[Bob D Nero]

Believe it or I live Spain and they have a licensing system here.
It's a three tier system, Professional theory qualification, Practical qualifiaction and a certificate of authorisation.
All three are linked to you ID number which is also your tax number, you cant get a cert of authorisation without being actively self-employed and paying social security and making tax and vat declarations and also having a valid public liability. The whole lot is then registered and monitored through the local ministry of industry. Stops a lot of cowboys now. Ant the regs here are just as tight as the 17th.

 

[cantabrian9]

WELL, i dunno which bit of spain you are in,but here in the backwoods of Almeria province you dont need no savvy to be a spark and there is not much in the way of regs!! polarity is a dirty word,testing is even dirtier!!!! i could go on but i am getting away from the original thread,---as Big n Daft mentioned (well done!!) i am one of those dinosaurs,but i will not pay out anymore money for another ticket (either 17th OR safety!!) for some UNQUALIFIED moron in a office making money from US, these office wallahs and the like couldn´t even boil a kettle if it weren´t for us

 

[mayfair]

Regs for Spain here in Alicante are quite stringent, tests are done as in 17th, ITC BT 25 is the domestic side and BT28 more for public buildings with various numbers in between All tox free cable in Public buildings and yes they do check !!! All CU are identified plus warning stickers plus much much more.

WELL, i dunno which bit of spain you are in,but here in the backwoods of Almeria province you dont need no savvy to be a spark and there is not much in the way of regs!! polarity is a dirty word,testing is even dirtier!!!! i could go on but i am getting away from the original thread,---as Big n Daft mentioned (well done!!) i am one of those dinosaurs,but i will not pay out anymore money for another ticket (either 17th OR safety!!) for some UNQUALIFIED moron in a office making money from US, these office wallahs and the like couldn´t even boil a kettle if it weren´t for us

 

[Bob D Nero]

WELL, i dunno which bit of spain you are in,but here in the backwoods of Almeria province you dont need no savvy to be a spark and there is not much in the way of regs!! polarity is a dirty word,testing is even dirtier!!!! i could go on but i am getting away from the original thread,---as Big n Daft mentioned (well done!!) i am one of those dinosaurs,but i will not pay out anymore money for another ticket (either 17th OR safety!!) for some UNQUALIFIED moron in a office making money from US, these office wallahs and the like couldn´t even boil a kettle if it weren´t for us

In Menorca which is incredibly backwards in alot of respects however with electrics, gas, plumbling and aircon theyve tightened right up in the last couple of years.

And to go back on topic if I have to pay to be liscened in th UK so be it. I''ve got no problem with a liscencing system.

 

[trev]

Would it not be better to start a petition on the Prime Minister's website. 100,000 signatures and they have to debate it in parliament. I'll volunteer to start it if no one has already

 

[Zeno]

Thanks Tvev1 for pointing me to this thread.

A licensing Scheme would be a good idea, one brand/name like Gas Safe, and several Schemes, I would not trust any of the Schemes to run a single scheme dictatorship, the costs would go through the roof.


The Propaganda from the Schemes and DCLG (Government) is, that a Licensing Scheme does not work in Australia and NZ and that it is a restrictive practise, because the public cannot do anything. I think that the public should be able to do a restricted set of work as they do now.


The Schemes don't want it because they like the QS system, and the thought of a Individual Licensing System to enable Competence on the Doorstep for the public, is a Major threat to their membership numbers and profits.

We will never get anywhere until Our Trade is speaking to Politicians that make the decisions, because one thing for sure is that Parliamentary Under Secretary of State Andrew Stunell MP, Minister for Part P, will not have been told what his own department and the Schemes are up to.


At the moment the Schemes speak on behalf of Our Trade to DCLG, do you really think that they state the full facts.


Has everyone seen what their Schemes have stated to DCLG for the new Part P Mk2 ? Yeah Right.


Its not about Competence, its about Money.

 

[darking]

cynical but sadly, true

 

[matt v]

I have dipped in and out of these posts so excuse me if I am repeating anyone. These schemes would be great, but until sales of electrical installation materials are restricted you will never be able to change anything, its one thing for a consumer to choose some lights but when they can buy consumer units, armoured cable etc how will you stop unlicensed installs in private dwellings?
Touching on another topic, I spent 15 years in landscape design and build (self employed) and decided to change tac and specialise in garden lighting. Did the course got the quals, (2330, 17th, part p)paid the money. The things I have seen from time served sparks in this context has suprised me, a lack of understanding of install and product mainly. Having specced lighting schemes with a qualified spark I decided to do it myself, and having done some house bashing with him have found my building skills and business skills have seen me in good stead. There is a placce for re education, and always a place for continued education.
I would still want to be part of the scheme tho!

 

[grantr37]

If there was to be a license system for electricians all that would happen is that many many thousands of electricians would be denied membership, or have it removed because a pen-pusher without any knowledge or understanding felt like it,and any electrician that is unfortunate enough to be put on the "unsavory individuals list" aka "do not employ list" which we can assume still exist and operate for most trades would get a red letter in the post and be banned and banished.......a lot of things are tied together in different ways.....just like when you annoy a friend or relative of a certain type of official person clad in black and yellow clothing...and your transport gets added to "of interest" then you start getting pulled over all over the country....work licenses removed= less competition=more money to be made by less people= big business gets involved through hook or crook in the process of administering and issuing of licenses

 

[TPES]

Would it not be better to start a petition on the Prime Minister's website. 100,000 signatures and they have to debate it in parliament. I'll volunteer to start it if no one has already

Good idea, I've signed a few of these petitions in the hope of making a difference to this sad state of a country

 

[TPES]

Is this the one?

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/5485