Electrician walked off the job half way, what now?

[Octopus]

Wonder who the lucky Spark on here is now the contractor?

 

[Guest55]

lofty ??

lolz

 

[supertoad]

yes I agree this sounds odd

 

[belmontbuild]

What do you want out of this thread? Sympathy? Not from me or many others I would guess.

You pulled a stunt with the first transaction, do the same to me and I’d walk away. During the hearing weren’t questions asked about the payment methods? Very surprised if there weren’t!

It would be interesting if the first electrician were to come on to here, there’s two sides to every story. This one has become long and boring!

I dont want anything from this thread, I only posted an update because I said I would when I first created the thread.

i have read this thread with interest as i am looking for clues to be a succesful contractor...what i can really decipher is ....there is obviously 2 sides to every story and this is not a personal attack on the poster but it is clear he has flexible ways of working which the original spark wasnt happy with...who the hell calls a place with that many circuits 'small'?...i will pay you on monday which turns out to be 'someone else will pay you on tuesday'.....i think the original spark saw what was coming and just made sure he got out of there without taking a loss and i am struggling to fault him.

well, its not quite how it played out. I turned up with the cash on monday morning because I did not want to send a bank transfer in advance. He did not want cash so I said I will go and drop it into the bank but I did not manage to find time.

Tuesday came and I took the cash in with the intention of going to the bank during the day, he was so stressed about getting paid and not waiting a couple of hours for me to get out to go to the bank I said I would get my partner to do the transfer while he holds onto the cash.

i call bulls*** on the job even existing
no-one in chesterfield has the coin to build a 6000 sqft luxury designer apartment , the place is a dump lol.
and if they could afford it , they wouldnt build it there in the first place , they'd choose somewhere nicer.......
like the bronx , moss-side or toxteth.
;-)

couple of photos attached, living room on the left and Kitchen on the right.

Chesterfield is not that bad, we are in a small village near chesterfield but yes given a choice I would be living back in London or Prague but work and family have brought us back to the UK.

Wonder who the lucky Spark on here is now the contractor?

He can post if he wants. I know he is following this thread. He seems to have done a very good job so far. I have to huge consumer units filled with RCBO's

 

[GLENNSPARK]

chesterfield is a shed...
even the church steeple is pised up...

 

[Outspoken]

I would be living back in London or Prague but work and family have brought us back to the UK.

Now I know London is very international, but when I was there a couple of days back it was till in the UK...has some bugger moved it in the meantime?

He can post if he wants. I know he is following this thread.

I'm sure everyone would love to hear from him even if just as confirmation the Job is real, as that stops all the speculation dead in it's tracks.

He seems to have done a very good job so far. I have to huge consumer units filled with RCBO's

I'll bet that is a pretty penny.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Just spotted the update, yes its me who is doing the rest. Some quite amusing comments .....
Chezvegas as it is called is my birth town, have travelled a fair bit over the years and its quite nice, we have the Peak District and surrounding villages which "southerners" fall over themselves to buy

As for the job, its one of those jobs which was / is always going to change.

I am the 3rd sparkie and the work done by the first was "OK" (probably less than a grands worth - i needed to neaten up a few runs and the zoning was a bit random, as for dead tests, no chance, no cable had been stripped. Have agreed with owner not to put the floors down until we have tested.

 

[JD6400]

Hi plugs , you say the 3rd sparkie !?
Don't feel you have to answer , if it will put you in a awkward position !:dots:

 

[plugsandsparks]

No biggy, 2nd did a bit to keep the job moving and as i understand it he was not available when needed.
This is the type of job where the sparkie can only do a bit at a time, with gaps over months. It suits me as i am very local and so far can keep ahead.

 

[Octopus]

Just spotted the update, yes its me who is doing the rest. Some quite amusing comments .....
Chezvegas as it is called is my birth town, have travelled a fair bit over the years and its quite nice, we have the Peak District and surrounding villages which "southerners" fall over themselves to buy

As for the job, its one of those jobs which was / is always going to change.

I am the 3rd sparkie and the work done by the first was "OK" (probably less than a grands worth - i needed to neaten up a few runs and the zoning was a bit random, as for dead tests, no chance, no cable had been stripped. Have agreed with owner not to put the floors down until we have tested.

A sensible decision by the OP to get someone local!

 

[palmerelectrcal]

glad its all worked out..

 

[belmontbuild]

Hi plugs , you say the 3rd sparkie !?
Don't feel you have to answer , if it will put you in a awkward position !:dots:

as plugsandsparks says there was no issue with the second guy he could only give me 10 days that he had free which was ideal as it allowed me to finish putting up the plasterboard on the ceilings. Plugsandsparks has done a excellent job and so far I am very happy with the result. Hopefully we will be doing the second fix soon.

 

[Marvo]

I'm also glad to hear it sounds like the job is back on track and it's kinda nice one of the established forum members got some work as well. Good luck with the rest of the build.

 

[belmontbuild]

Hi Guys.

Another update. So Mr CS applied to have the as I am based in the US at the moment I was not able to go to court to fight this and he successfully had the verdict set aside.

So we had our day in front of the judge a few weeks ago, this is the first time I have spoken to CS and I got the feeling he honestly believes he had done 3.1k worth of work and that I am trying to rip him off.

On the other hand I had a valuation of the work with shows it was just under 1.3k worth of work which in my view is what the work was worth.

After calling his accountant he finally agreed that there is no such thing as a VAT exemption number for a new build and that he was not actually supposed to charge me VAT.

After much going back and forth he agreed to pay me back £1500 which I agreed to accept.
He paid me on the date promised and this is now closed.

Its fair to say I will never deal with Mr CS again.


All in all am happy this is over and done with. I cost me £120 in legal fees, £150 in fuel to drive down to court and £3000 to fly back to the uk to go to court. I got £1.5k back. This was never about the money I just dont like being taken for a ride which in my view I was.

I know everyone says there is 2 sides to a story, so as this is public record now here is Mr CS side of the story.

*Removed*

Also I managed to convince Mr CS (after a call to his accountant) that actually there is no such thing as a VAT exemption number for a new build and that he was supposed to zero rate the VAT, so he will get the VAT back that he paid so actually he is only just under £1k out of pocket now.

To be fair to CS he has lost a few days of work having to go to court so he has lost out in all of this also.

I dont agree with some of what is said in the letter, but thats my point of view.

 

[Octopus]

Hi Guys.

Another update. So Mr CS applied to have the judgment set aside, as I am based in the US at the moment I was not able to go to court to fight this and he successfully had the verdict set aside.

So we had our day in front of the judge a few weeks ago, this is the first time I have spoken to CS and I got the feeling he honestly believes he had done 3.1k worth of work and that I am trying to rip him off.

On the other hand I had a valuation of the work with shows it was just under 1.3k worth of work which in my view is what the work was worth.

After calling his accountant he finally agreed that there is no such thing as a VAT exemption number for a new build and that he was not actually supposed to charge me VAT.

After much going back and forth he agreed to pay me back £1500 which I agreed to accept.
He paid me on the date promised and this is now closed.

Its fair to say I will never deal with Mr CS again.


All in all am happy this is over and done with. I cost me £120 in legal fees, £150 in fuel to drive down to court and £3000 to fly back to the uk to go to court. I got £1.5k back. This was never about the money I just dont like being taken for a ride.

I know everyone says there is 2 sides to a story, so as this is public record now here is Mr CS side of the story.

View attachment 21181

You shouldn't be publicising the individuals names on here.

£258 for 2 weeks hotel - sounds more like campsite fees

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

Why not this is in the public domain now.

You shouldn't be publicising the individuals names on here.

£258 for 2 weeks hotel - sounds more like campsite fees

 

[belmontbuild]

You shouldn't be publicising the individuals names on here.

£258 for 2 weeks hotel - sounds more like campsite fees

Its now in the public record so I assume its ok.

 

[ackbarthestar]

Too late, i had to login to find the link had vanished / had been removed.......

Here's one I prepared earlier .... The whole thing stank, I just had to put her reply up on a public forum

***Link removed ***

I told you Its so much easier to remove the link before you post.....lol

 

[belmontbuild]

£258 for 2 weeks hotel - sounds more like campsite fees

I think he stayed in the IBIS which is quite cheap and not bad at all, I would have no problem staying there.

Why he think I should be paying for his hotel I do not know, 600m of 2.5mm used used and 55 to 60 35mm back boxes which I think think cost £600 + Vat.

 

[Octopus]

Its now in the public record so I assume its ok.

So did you edit your name out then? It seems to have disappeared.

Time to be honest as I know what it said.

 

[ackbarthestar]

The last IBIS in ***link removed ***, lol stank of dirty sweaty bodies - it was only for one night and the alternative was to sleep in a cow shed - never again.....

 

[belmontbuild]

The last IBIS in ***link removed ***, lol stank of dirty sweaty bodies - it was only for one night and the alternative was to sleep in a cow shed - never again.....

LOL really, I have stated a few times with IBIS and for the price they have been fine.

 

[Octopus]

So did you edit your name out then? It seems to have disappeared.

Time to be honest as I know what it said.

Come on the Mr xxxxxxx

 

[ackbarthestar]

LOL really, I have stated a few times with IBIS and for the price they have been fine.

You only need one bad experience and that colours ones opinion......I don't think i'll ever stay there again. Probably, sleep rough in the car..

 

[Octopus]

OK.

So Belmont Build thinks its OK for him to name and shame a sparky, but then remove his name from said details, to keep his identify secret.

So shall we play hangman to reveal Belmont Builds identity?

so to start off the surname has 7 letters, who's going first with a guess of a letter?

 

[ian.settle1]

I think he stayed in the IBIS which is quite cheap and not bad at all, I would have no problem staying there.

Why he think I should be paying for his hotel I do not know, 600m of 2.5mm used used and 55 to 60 35mm back boxes which I think think cost £600 + Vat.

If he is from out of town then this would be reasonable

 

[Thefailsafe2012]

OK.

So Belmont Build thinks its OK for him to name and shame a sparky, but then remove his name from said details, to keep his identify secret.

So shall we play hangman to reveal Belmont Builds identity?

so to start off the surname has 7 letters, who's going first with a guess of a letter?

I saw it, so I won't play

He did change it pretty quick mind, hope he's not a hacker!

:sifone:

 

[belmontbuild]

So did you edit your name out then? It seems to have disappeared.

Time to be honest as I know what it said.

Anyone that wants my name can go and look it up the court documents, the reference number is there.

I have used CS in all my posts to avoid it coming up in a google search.

 

[JD6400]

I am with Murdock , come on then lets have your name as well ?
In the interest in the interest of a level playing field !

 

[belmontbuild]

If he is from out of town then this would be reasonable

It depends how you look at it, the judge was going to appoint a expert witness to put a valuation on the work, its irrelevant where the guy lives the only relevant part is the value of the work done. Even if I was to pay for the hotel why would I pay for 2 weeks worth of hotel stay because he changed his mind about finishing the job?

 

[JD6400]

Hi Guys.

Another update. So Mr CS applied to have the judgment set aside, as I am based in the US at the moment I was not able to go to court to fight this and he successfully had the verdict set aside.

So we had our day in front of the judge a few weeks ago, this is the first time I have spoken to CS and I got the feeling he honestly believes he had done 3.1k worth of work and that I am trying to rip him off.

On the other hand I had a valuation of the work with shows it was just under 1.3k worth of work which in my view is what the work was worth.

After calling his accountant he finally agreed that there is no such thing as a VAT exemption number for a new build and that he was not actually supposed to charge me VAT.

After much going back and forth he agreed to pay me back £1500 which I agreed to accept.
He paid me on the date promised and this is now closed.

Its fair to say I will never deal with Mr CS again.


All in all am happy this is over and done with. I cost me £120 in legal fees, £150 in fuel to drive down to court and £3000 to fly back to the uk to go to court. I got £1.5k back. This was never about the money I just dont like being taken for a ride which in my view I was.

I know everyone says there is 2 sides to a story, so as this is public record now here is Mr CS side of the story.



Also I managed to convince Mr CS (after a call to his accountant) that actually there is no such thing as a VAT exemption number for a new build and that he was supposed to zero rate the VAT, so he will get the VAT back that he paid so actually he is only just under £1k out of pocket now.

To be fair to CS he has lost a few days of work having to go to court so he has lost out in all of this also.

I dont agree with some of what is said in the letter, but thats my point of view.

Best we keep quite as it looks like they may sue us . Judging by what held up the payment in the first place , they have form for it !:90:

Edit ; The attachment 21183 did not show !

 

[Octopus]

Anyone that wants my name can go and look it up the court documents, the reference number is there.

I have used CS in all my posts to avoid it coming up in a google search.

My point is that YOU very quickly removed YOUR name from the post but left the other parties name in full show which I do not think is fair.............

 

[Silly Sausage]

All in all am happy this is over and done with. I cost me £120 in legal fees, £150 in fuel to drive down to court and £3000 to fly back to the uk to go to court. I got £1.5k back. This was never about the money I just dont like being taken for a ride which in my view I was.

But don't mind paying circa £1500 for one!

 

[plugsandsparks]

Glad you finally got closure, you know my views on the value of the work. I still cannot fathom why he took on the work in the first place, it was definitely not a job to be traveling and stopping in a hotel, I guess he realised that in the first few days. I like his cheek in getting his "bill" to equal what he was paid already. )

 

[Marvo]

I've got mixed feelings on this one but I'm glad it's settled for all concerned but I still don't see the reason he walked. Seems a bit OTT to block up the court roll with this kinda case when a judgment has no consequences apart from a few quid one way or the other that won't even cover the effort and expense of the legal remedy. If there's no winners apart from lawyers then it's a shame you couldn't come to an out of court settlement.

*edit* If the court records are in the public domain then there's no privacy issues and you're welcome to attach or link to them if you like.

 

[Octopus]

I've got mixed feelings on this one but I'm glad it's settled for all concerned but I still don't see the reason he walked. Seems a bit OTT to block up the court roll with this kinda case when a judgment has no consequences apart from a few quid one way or the other that won't even cover the effort and expense of the legal remedy. If there's no winners apart from lawyers then it's a shame you couldn't come to an out of court settlement.

*edit* If the court records are in the public domain then there's no privacy issues and you're welcome to attach or link to them if you like.

Marvo, the OP named and shamed the spark he had a beef with on this forum, the original post he did included HIS name TOO but he was VERY quick to remove it.

I note that the attachment is still there with the sparks name on show but his name removed - if the details are in the public domain then a link to the court proceedings is OK BUT to allow the attachment to remain with one identity concealed is not right.

 

[Sintra]

Murdoch are you sure that attachment is still visible as I took it down last night (or at least I think I did :lol: )

 

[Octopus]

Murdoch are you sure that attachment is still visible as I took it down last night (or at least I think I did :lol: )

Post 164 - JPEG file still accessible

 

[Sintra]

Post 164 - JPEG file still accessible

Thanks mate that should be it gone now. Must have had one too many beverages yesterday :lol:

 

[Dan]

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[Dan]

I'm just bumping some threads in the Electrical Forum, don't mind me while I do this, you don't have to respond to them. Although if they are still current topics, and you do wish to reply, you're welcome to. Keep the thread on-topic and make sure you stick to the forum rules though.