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Hopefully the Opener Poster can keep us informed how the new spark gets on.
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Would be interesting to know the out come
I will keep this updated when I can say more in a few weeks.
I'm betting on a nightmare of biblical proportions. Best get the popcorn i because I want a front row seat for this one.Well it's been 3 months without a peep so either all is going swimmingly or the whole escapade went so far South it doesn't bear thinking about. I doubt it's anywhere in the middle......
I'm betting on a nightmare of biblical proportions. Best get the popcorn i because I want a front row seat for this one.
Watch, he'll come back and say everything was fantasticly well done and he got all the cash back from the original guy.
Well not that exiting, we have finished the first fix electrical work using someone else. we will start plaster boarding next week.
I will post what happened with the other electrician after we are finished in court, he is probably ready this also.
yes trev but the O/P mentioned about getting floors down n stuff....so the cable runs should be on view thereIt's certainly confusing but from what the op has said it does sound like this guy got a hair up his bottom about something. In his position I wouldn't have said the cash was actually a payment, more likely a gesture of goodwill. Here's a large wad of cash for you to hold till I can get a similar amount into your account doesn't sound unreasonable to me, nor does it sound as if you're trying to imply he accepts cash payments (which, provided they are properly accounted for, are perfectly fine).
He has though left you in a pickle, the scheme providers give the ability to self certify. Signing off another's work is frowned upon so you may struggle to find someone willing to issue the necessary paperwork
Well it's been 3 months without a peep so either all is going swimmingly or the whole escapade went so far South it doesn't bear thinking about. I doubt it's anywhere in the middle......
Hi.
Just to let people know that I am waiting for a court date.
I will updated this as soon as I have been to court and post the result.
I'm not taking sides here but before you engagaed the original electricians how many did you get to quote and were their prices similar?
I think what Tony meant was a tongue in cheek way of saying better you than me with the bill that'll be coming your way but as you say it appears that the original guy has tried to have your pants down.
Now I'm no VAT expert but I thought that the only way round the whole new build VAT thing was for your contractors to charge you (as they should) and for you to reclaim it. Could be wrong of course and if I am let me know the mechanics of it as you never know, I could be faced with the same scenario one day
I'm not taking sides here but before you engagaed the original electricians how many did you get to quote and were their prices similar?
Hi trev, its actually the opposite, VAT man insists services delivered by builders / plumbers / sparkies etc are zero rated for labour and parts. VAT man will re-imburse owner for stuff he has had to buy from say B&Q etc but only after the building is complete. I did a new build for myself a few years back and remember having the conversation with the guy doing the groundworks, he was as surprised as me.
The bit that is a bit risky is that the onus is on the contractor to verify that the VAT being charged is correct. Pretty easy to figure out what a new build is but there are some items an electrician could install in a house which the VAT man will not allow zero rating.
My advice - read the info from HMRC and a quick call to them if you are not sure.
HM Revenue & Customs: Building trades: VAT when constructing new houses and flats
I had a good look around the site today and he has only put in around 50 to 55 boxes, no consumer unite, the cables are all free and have not been tacked to the walls, the 30 amp supplies have not been put in so really all that has been done is 6 ring mains run around the flat, a few boxes put into the walls and cables run to them nothing more.
It seems that I have been had.
If the ECA are anything like the NICEIC then you will be able to approach them and make a complaint. they will come round and inspect the work. if its substandard then they will pressure the sparks to come and put it right. if he refuses then they will eploy another registered firm and charge the original sparks for the remedial work.
be warned though, if you have had another sparks on site already then they will not look at it at all.
Hi P****,
Just a quick email to advise you that I will not be coming back up to chesterfield as I was not happy in the way that you handed out the first payment or operated.
I run a professional business and do not run a cash business and that we were paid by a second party.
The work that has been carried out so far, are the six ring mains all wired and boxed to which you have paid me £3093.75 of the first fix cost of £7375.00 to which I have also fitted 44 additional points.
I'm not after any further payments as the works can be carried out by a second party.
Regards C**** S*****.
We write in direct response to your undated email letter, as your registered post copy has not
yet been received, concerning works at the above premises.
Your letter clearly identifies that, at worst, we have a divisible contract and accordingly, we
are quite within our rights to stop work when the first fix has been completed. Your letter
is not an offer, nor does it seek to prejudice your position, as such, the 'Without Prejudice'
carries no weight, we shall be presenting your letter, as evidence to the court.
We have raised our objections to the way you conduct yourself in respect to paying by
using a third party and by claiming that the job is zero-rated. We have undertaken many
zero-rated jobs, this is not the way VAT is managed. If you can assure us that HMRC
have issued a redemption certificate, we shall be very pleased to waive this charge.
We have not completed the works, your behaviour means that we cannot see how we can
do this. Consequently, we render our account in the sum of £2577.50 plus VAT (making
£3093) which we have accepting payment from a third party. We have undertaken a 'dead'
test in order to assure us that whoever undertakes the remaining works, the integrity of
our works cannot be called into question.
We thank-you for the photographs. On a project that is still to have its walls sound proofed
and plaster boarded, at a 35mm depth (as per your instructions), we would not expect the
first-fix electrical works to look any different to what they do. Cables would only be
'tacked' or capped if a contractual specification required. BS 7671 makes no such requirement.
If you persist in taking this matter to the small claims court, we shall be using this letter as
the basis of our defence.
Yours faithfully
Guys for those of you subscribed to this thread I have posted an update...
So you meet a sparky in Prague, who lives in Essex, you live in Sheffield and the job is in Chesterfield? Sounds like a receipe for disaster from the start.
LOL, totally agree haha, that's whats happened here IMOChange the terms of an agreed contract, expect trouble.
So you meet a sparky in Prague, who lives in Essex, you live in Sheffield and the job is in Chesterfield? Sounds like a receipe for disaster from the start.
Have will, will travel comes to mind.
How big is this house having 37 lighting circuits, is each light got it's own circuit?
LOL, totally agree haha, that's whats happened here IMO
6400sq ft warrants a quite large ?
I wonder what your large is lol...
I got taken advantage of because I was a little naive and paid a deposit up front which I will never do again.
Many of us don't do work WITHOUT some form of up front deposit because of being caught out by bad paying customers!! It's a chicken and egg situation.
Many of us don't do work WITHOUT some form of up front deposit because of being caught out by bad paying customers!! It's a chicken and egg situation.
Just a quick email to advise you that I will not be coming back up to XXXX as I was not happy in the way that you handed out the first payment or operated.
I run a professional business and do not run a cash business and that we were paid by a second party.
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