For new sparks who change dist boards

[MDJ]

My brains hurting mdj.... other than whats been said and what i stated i bet theres stuff glaringly obvious and im over analysing as usual!!!

Look don't over analise, the point is would a new 17 day skilled spark go there and tell the customer they need to have a new board? if yes then please explain, if no please explain, there are remedial works required in the house, but do the boards need changing, I was hoping a 17 dayer would comment but as archy mentioned it may have been better in the trainee area.

 

[Simonslimline]

Surely as you are their to do the condition report then you could not say what needs doing until you are finished and have coded any deviations accordingly. You could not just look at it and say it all needs replacing.

In order to spot problems and give them the correct code you would need to be fully competent and have proper knowledge of the regs.

I am a trainee so still have a lot to learn however.

Look don't over analise, the point is would a new 17 day skilled spark go there and tell the customer they need to have a new board? if yes then please explain, if no please explain, there are remedial works required in the house, but do the boards need changing, I was hoping a 17 dayer would comment but as archy mentioned it may have been better in the trainee area.

 

[CockneyReject]

Surely as you are their to do the condition report then you could not say what needs doing until you are finished and have coded any deviations accordingly. You could not just look at it and say it all needs replacing.

In order to spot problems and give them the correct code you would need to be fully competent and have proper knowledge of the regs.

I am a trainee so still have a lot to learn however.

good point there mate and your right but there's a lot of sparks out there that would walk in take one look at that installation and scaremonger the owner into piles of remedial work and board changes before the meter is even taken out of the van and that'll be one of the reasons for this thread been started

MDJ, what's the age of the installation, were the additions done to the 16th or 17th and what's the 30 amp 3036 on its own feeding?


I'd love to see what a "domestic installers" views and opinions would be but I really don't think many will reply

 

[MDJ]

good point there mate and your right but there's a lot of sparks out there that would walk in take one look at that installation and scaremonger the owner into piles of remedial work and board changes before the meter is even taken out of the van and that'll be one of the reasons for this thread been started

MDJ, what's the age of the installation, were the additions done to the 16th or 17th and what's the 30 amp 3036 on its own feeding?


I'd love to see what a "domestic installers" views and opinions would be but I really don't think many will reply

35 years down to around 5, like all houses bits get added throughout the years
16th edition alterations mainly
30 amp 3036 (well spotted) feeds a light in a shed outside via a spur unit with 3 amp fuse in it

 

[walsall]

Do all lighting circuits have CPCs?

 

[CockneyReject]

Yeah looks a lot like every other house in the villages around here just a big old rats nest of add ons and bodges

are those 10mm singles feeding the shed board off the henleys?

 

[MDJ]

Do all lighting circuits have CPCs?

very good question, we are improving. okay all lighting circuits have CPCs, however in the hall way they are not at the switches, however there are switches with plastic push in covers hiding the 3.5mm2 screws.

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Yeah looks a lot like every other house in the villages around here just a big old rats nest of add ons and bodges

are those 10mm singles feeding the shed board off the henleys?

yes correct

 

[dazza1981]

yes agreed most would cockneyreject... but its not just the testing that needs to be done its the condition of the installation aswell, signs of damage,wear and tear,signs of over heating and that the installation is fit for purpose for now and until its next recommended inspection.

 

[R G]

What size is the main fuse , Main switches on the boards are 60 Amp only ,top of Henley block not to IP4X as also possibly some of the units , undersize main tails if 100amp main fuse , No single point of isolation , various outgoing circuits may require RCD protection if supplying special locations and cable in walls etc , are correction factors applied to circuits for the use of BS3036 semi enclosed fuses within limits as regards CCC,
looks like 10mm tails supplying 1 board from Henley block, wooden backed boards combustable material, Green sleeving in use , no access to the junction box with screws inaccessible, loose tails and cables , can home owner understand all that ,

 

[walsall]

Its nice and easy to go in and say the board needs replacing. Justifies time and money in front of the client. Wonder how many boards get done, and rings not tested properly.....

Did hear one 'sparky' on the phone in Screwfix tell his mate on the phone that it didn't matter that all the neutrals were in the wrong order on the board as they were all connected together anyway, and they wouldn't ever be back to test it. The van had a nice red and black plug on it and said "Approved Contractor"

 

[MDJ]

What size is the main fuse , Main switches on the boards are 60 Amp only ,top of Henley block not to IP4X as also possibly some of the units , undersize main tails if 100amp main fuse , No single point of isolation , various outgoing circuits may require RCD protection if supplying special locations and cable in walls etc , are correction factors applied to circuits for the use of BS3036 semi enclosed fuses within limits as regards CCC,
looks like 10mm tails supplying 1 board from Henley block, wooden backed boards combustable material, Green sleeving in use , no access to the junction box with screws inaccessible, loose tails and cables , can home owner understand all that ,

Main fuse is 60 amp, mains tails to henley block are actually 16mm2 double insulated. No loose tails and cables.

 

[R G]

Looks like loose cables to me above the boards , TBH if you had a closer look you could find loads more , can't get a focus when zooming in , also would like access to that JB to see whats been done in there , don't know if theres any signs of wear on the fuse ways , loads more if given time and access

 

[MDJ]

Looks like loose cables to me above the boards , TBH if you had a closer look you could find loads more , can't get a focus when zooming in , also would like access to that JB to see whats been done in there , don't know if theres any signs of wear on the fuse ways , loads more if given time and access

what do you mean by loose cables? you mean the way the cables run against the ceiling or connect into the board? there are wagos in the JB, no sign of wear on the fuses ways, and there were several findings regarding remedial works in the premises

 

[R G]

yes the cables against the ceiling ,,

 

[MDJ]

yes the cables against the ceiling ,,

Well they are not very well installed and IMO a pretty poor job, but why would that contribute to changing the dist board then?

 

[R G]

What was the Ze and the PFC and PSCC in relation to using fuse wire , together with disconnection times of the use of fuse wire,,,

 

[MDJ]

What was the Ze and the PFC in relation to using fuse wire , together with disconnection times of the use of fuse wire,,,

what fusewire? ZE already posted

 

[R G]

what fusewire? ZE already posted

Sorry should have looked again ...

 

[High Tower]

There have been some interesting questions such as earthing etc however even if none of there's were up to scratch you would address them not change the board

 

[GLENNSPARK]

There have been some interesting questions such as earthing etc however even if none of there's were up to scratch you would address them not change the board

Aiden:

let the youngsters have a go