Fuse box installed for £150 what!!!

[SLSpark]

elecsa , is that niceic equivelant governing body.

im located scotland so different bodies here

 

[electric will]

Yeah like NIC but nicer people (in my opinion)

 

[MDJ]

how long have you been trading ?

I have been trading as a company for 10 years, I am a NICEIC approved contractor and an accredited member of CHAS and EXOR as well and H&E construction safety and I am on the County Council list of approved contractors, My personal grade apart from director is JIB site Technician as well, I am fat over 40 and a miserable Git too, what about you?

 

[SLSpark]

only been trading 6months so not with governing body yet various hoops to run and backflip through .
going great all ready got 3 guys working for me never had no work since starting fingers crossed all keeps going well.

have been looking at niceic and select not sure which though.
and am i right in saying part p isnt necessary in scotland

 

[MDJ]

apparently yes not needed up there, all bodies are the same and scammers really, best to go with the cheapest, I expect it will change again soon enough anyhow.

 

[SLSpark]

thats what i thought , i see alot of companies asking for niceic registered tradesmen only and councils etc , isnt this illegal under contract discrimination acts, as you must be trading 2+ years to apply for niceic

 

[MDJ]

Unfortunately for me Gloucestershire county council who are my biggest customer insist on the NICEIC, thats why I am with them, it is difficult to argue with men in suits who have no knowledge of the trade and who pay me regulary, In my view they are nothing more special than other trade bodies, I do believe to become an approved contractor you need to trade for 2 years, however you could get into the domestic installer scheme with them and when your ready to become an approved contractor they may look favourably on you, if your customers don't care who your with I would go with the cheapest myself, but if you intend to get into the big boys lists you may have to eat humble pie and go NICEIC, they have a lot of respect for some reason with a lot of public services, hence the reason I am with them.

 

[Garythenab]

i never use high integ , usually just dual rcd

cant see need for high integ unless this should be used to have alarm smokey etc on the unprotected side mcbo/mcb protected

What about a designated circuit for appliances like the American style fridge freezers, that are notorious for tripping rcd's. If surface mounted in trunking or cables buried more than 50mm in the wall then it is not required to be rcd protected. A high integrity board allows such configuration.

 

[richy3333]

only been trading 6months so not with governing body yet various hoops to run and backflip through .
going great all ready got 3 guys working for me never had no work since starting fingers crossed all keeps going well.

have been looking at niceic and select not sure which though.
and am i right in saying part p isnt necessary in scotland

Are you for real? If you're working in Scootland you should really know mate.

 

[electric will]

I'm starting to smell something

 

[SLSpark]

sarcasm and ignorance very good

 

[electric will]

Richy3333 you've not stood in something on your way in have ya? Check your shoes

 

[jonni770]

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Thatz a new installation where everythibg is prepeared shouldnt take longer than 40mins nothing to cry home bout

 

[Big n Daft]

Unfortunately for me Gloucestershire county council who are my biggest customer insist on the NICEIC, thats why I am with them, it is difficult to argue with men in suits who have no knowledge of the trade and who pay me regulary, In my view they are nothing more special than other trade bodies, I do believe to become an approved contractor you need to trade for 2 years, however you could get into the domestic installer scheme with them and when your ready to become an approved contractor they may look favourably on you, if your customers don't care who your with I would go with the cheapest myself, but if you intend to get into the big boys lists you may have to eat humble pie and go NICEIC, they have a lot of respect for some reason with a lot of public services, hence the reason I am with them.

If your with another scheme then they should fight there/your corner with the council/public sector and point out the error of their ways. After all its what ya pays your money for.

 

[SAILOR48]

Yeah like NIC but nicer people (in my opinion)

Owned by the ECA

 

[Octopus]

Owned by the ECA

Think you need to recheck that fact

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Thatz a new installation where everythibg is prepeared shouldnt take longer than 40mins nothing to cry home bout

It takes me 40 minutes to drink a cup of tea and lay a sheet down to catch debris.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Come on its well about time another tale was told of epic speed of ' installation '.

I really enjoy reading them.

 

[Nic Norwood]

Here is some more pictures for you if you would like to use them, and yes i am WELL AWARE they are 16th edition boards because the pictures were taken a while ago

View attachment 8478View attachment 8479View attachment 8480

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this is the HUGE amount of replies in this thread but unless I'm mistaken the insulation on the incoming live is cut down to the copper in the 2nd picture... & did someone bite the neutral?! =/

 

[morph]

where r the cpc s for ciruits 7 , 8 ? in pic 1

 

[morph]

the rcd has been counted as 7and 8
are the rcd now circuits

 

[Midwest]

What about a designated circuit for appliances like the American style fridge freezers, that are notorious for tripping rcd's. If surface mounted in trunking or cables buried more than 50mm in the wall then it is not required to be rcd protected. A high integrity board allows such configuration.

Is it not surface mounted on walls in metal trunking (or metal conduit or sheathing) only, without RCD?

edit; and buried more than 50mm or skill or instructed person

 

[HandySparks]

Is it not surface mounted on walls in metal trunking (or metal conduit or sheathing) only, without RCD?

edit; and buried more than 50mm or skill or instructed person

No, even clipped direct doesn't require RCD protection.

 

[pete555]

I charge at £12 per hour for tracing unmarked circuits and faults

Arrive at job 8am, done and cleaned up by 9am, testing till 12pm, onto the next job, simples

I have a image in my head of everyone being the typical tradesman, tea drinking and paper reading, come on lets be honest how long does it take to change a DB and test the install?

Am i the only one who has the "Graft" idea?

And after all the age old saying go's "Stack em high, sell em cheap", the referrals i get from customers who were pleased with the work i carried out and the price is excellent, TBF i dont have a lot of overheads and im not greedy just pleased that i actually have some work

EDIT: and for anyone thinking " i bet the DB's are a mess "

View attachment 8475

nice DB bit of excess copper showing on manufacturers nuetral connection though hope your not rushing

 

[Anton]

A decent tradesman is not trying to rip people off. But lets be realistic, we deserve a decent wage for the training and constant refreshing.
No Job is the same, but lads.... lets not be cutting each others throats to make ends meet.
The electrical industry is one of the strongest in the world according to the latest stats.
Dont cheapen yourself and your trade. stand together .

 

[pete555]

A decent tradesman is not trying to rip people off. But lets be realistic, we deserve a decent wage for the training and constant refreshing.
No Job is the same, but lads.... lets not be cutting each others throats to make ends meet.
The electrical industry is one of the strongest in the world according to the latest stats.
Dont cheapen yourself and your trade. stand together .

try telling the poles etc

 

[ppuch1]

try telling the poles etc

I think that statement is a bit harsh considering a lot of Polish are very good tradesmen and work to high standards. I hate it when everyone tars every bad tradesmen as a "Pole" ... Remember there are eastern european people from several countries working here. There are exceptions to every rule I know, and I also know that they (eastern europeans) tend to work for less and do undermine our levels of pay etc.

I say this as a son of a Polish immigrant from WW2 (I didn't choose my fate) but I consider myself English first and British second and I also have high standards of work.

Rant over ... for now!

no offence intended either :wink_smile:

 

[Midwest]

No, even clipped direct doesn't require RCD protection.

Hmmm. must reread the regs again.

 

[Anton]

This isnt about different nationalities. Just respecting the trade.

 

[ppuch1]

This isnt about different nationalities. Just respecting the trade.

Understood, but it does no good referring to other nationalities either. The trade is being undermined by every (good or bad) electrician who has to or is willing to accept lower rates. I understand why people do it though!
I don't think the industry schemes (otherwise known as 'scams') have helped either (I know this is another topic but is really making my blood boil right now) with the introduction of this Electricsafe register. Someone should get their heads together and give them a very large bang and get it sorted out. How on earth has the introduction of Two schemes that are calling themselves almost identical names going to help the general public !!!
I am in favour of a registration scheme but it has to be fair and should only be ONE !

Perhaps a beer and good nights sleep and I'll feel better in the morning !

:dizzy2:

 

[Anton]

im gonna have to look into this. sounds crazy

 

[ppuch1]

im gonna have to look into this. sounds crazy

Here are the links ...

This is the NAPIT one ... that everyone can join - FREE
ElectricSafe Register - Electricians you can trust

This is the OTHER one that only their members can join
Electrical Safety Register - Find your local, registered electrical contractor

I guess this is gonna make it easier for the public to choose from ...
What also gets me is that because I cannot join the OTHER one, if a member of the public sees my van and company name and looks it up on the WRONG register then they won't find me there and could conclude that I am a 'cowboy' and not registered ... great for my business !
This needs to be sorted asap because it is very biased and is not good for the industry !!!

Perhaps this can be made into a sticky or into a new thread unless it already has been (Admin ?)
:censored:

 

[Guitarist]

Thanks for that. I didn't realise that I could be on both registers.
Can't see how having 2 registers makes the general public feel safer tho.

 

[njbromilow]

Here are the links ...

This is the NAPIT one ... that everyone can join - FREE
ElectricSafe Register - Electricians you can trust

This is the OTHER one that only their members can join
Electrical Safety Register - Find your local, registered electrical contractor

I guess this is gonna make it easier for the public to choose from ...
What also gets me is that because I cannot join the OTHER one, if a member of the public sees my van and company name and looks it up on the WRONG register then they won't find me there and could conclude that I am a 'cowboy' and not registered ... great for my business !
This needs to be sorted asap because it is very biased and is not good for the industry !!!

Perhaps this can be made into a sticky or into a new thread unless it already has been (Admin ?)
:censored:

i have to say this is why i just join napit as the nic/eca are just trying to rip us off with things like this. napit make it free for everyone to join the register and its something the joe public will catch on to as its the same as gas safe.
i think nic just shot them self in the foot.

 

[Guitarist]

Any elecsa/Nic sparky here actually joined the Electricsafe register ?

 

[HandySparks]

Any elecsa/Nic sparky here actually joined the Electricsafe register ?

Yes, and I stick out like a sore thumb, being the only Elecsa member in my area on the list amongst all those Napit bods. I couldn't see any disadvantage to it and it just might do some good. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way of adding a link to your own website.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Yes, and I stick out like a sore thumb, being the only Elecsa member in my area on the list amongst all those Napit bods. I couldn't see any disadvantage to it and it just might do some good. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way of adding a link to your own website.

Good on yer.

everytime one does, it's a red face blush for the NICEIC/eca debacle.

 

[i=p/u]

Well beat this guy I work with will install cu for £ 60 + materials .. He says 3hrs work... End of.. So if you are loosing out these guys doing it cheaper have full time jobs aswell. If you didn't know..

 

[Guitarist]

Yes, and I stick out like a sore thumb, being the only Elecsa member in my area on the list amongst all those Napit bods. I couldn't see any disadvantage to it and it just might do some good. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way of adding a link to your own website.

Any cost involved mate? I think it's crazy that there are 2 "safety" registers, yet we are only on 1 of them. Not much good if a prospective client looks on the wrong one...

 

[SPARTYKUS]

And the answer is....

well doesn't matter to me, never had a jot of work via a "register".

so these are two more i'll take no notice of!

 

[HandySparks]

Any cost involved mate?

None at all. And fairly quick (few days?) The form on the website's changed since I applied, but I wouldn't expect any problems. What have you got to loose?