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Here Jay, if seal cutting is such a horrendous offence worthy of the death penalty, can you enlighten us all with any evidence of any convictions for this heinous crime?
 
Jay The DNO won't prosecute for cutting seals (extracting electricity they will), because if they lost the court case RE: fitting Isolators to every house in the land as a precedent may be set forcing them to, as you pointed out would cost them a fortune, this is a risk they will not take for a prosecution of criminal damage to the seal, as against live working, cutting the seal is a "lesser crime".
Proving it is another matter.

At the same time they may not actually condone it (cutting seals) in case someone gets injured leaving them open to being sued, but most turn a blind eye, some even issue temporary seals to registered contractors.
 
prosecutions generally only arise when there's evidence of stealing electrickery. how the hell can anyone prove that there were seals on the fuse before you were there?
 
Hey, Im doing a board change next week in a small block of flats. At the mains intake on ground floor there's 2No 3phase supplies. These obviously correspond to each flat and 1No landlords supply. Its quite interesting, cos two of the seals are missing, so I deduced these two flats have had new CUs fitted etc and therefore it would be a waste of time sticking a flyer or card through their letter box. So you see this seal cutting thing can be quite usefull in more ways than one.:ihih:
 
biff55 said:
right , thats it , enoughs enough.

to the OP - if you need strangers on the internet to spell out to you how to cut the power for a CU change , then clearly you shouldnt be working on your own.

to the gooner - your use of the written language is a pityful garbled mess.
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It's pitiful young Mr Biff ;)

(Pointing out your spelling mistakes since 1951) :)
 
Geordie Spark - Grumpy, Old, Bald and Proud !!


grumpy, old, bald and pedantic.
 
Zebra Stripe said:
Hey, Im doing a board change next week in a small block of flats. At the mains intake on ground floor there's 2No 3phase supplies. These obviously correspond to each flat and 1No landlords supply. Its quite interesting, cos two of the seals are missing, so I deduced these two flats have had new CUs fitted etc and therefore it would be a waste of time sticking a flyer or card through their letter box. So you see this seal cutting thing can be quite usefull in more ways than one.:ihih:
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Haha or the seal fairy has already cut your seal and another for for a future spark in advance to prevent you braking the law!!
 
well zebra i got the same issue next week a cu change in dudley a block of flats so i,l be on the phone monday myself to try to isolate . without cutting seals so i,l let you no .theres two parts to the cu one for sockets and one for lighting and theres a gap of about 35 inchs between them so that should be fun .not going to fit in one booard like i wanted .
 
spark 68 said:
Jay The DNO won't prosecute for cutting seals (extracting electricity they will), because if they lost the court case RE: fitting Isolators to every house in the land as a precedent may be set forcing them to, as you pointed out would cost them a fortune, this is a risk they will not take for a prosecution of criminal damage to the seal, as against live working, cutting the seal is a "lesser crime".
Proving it is another matter.

At the same time they may not actually condone it (cutting seals) in case someone gets injured leaving them open to being sued, but most turn a blind eye, some even issue temporary seals to registered contractors.
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I had a handful of the genuine article given to me by one of the DNO's blokes who told be just to crack on and do it myself next time.

I cheekily asked him if he had a spare pair of sealing pliers ........ He didn't.
 
jaythegooner said:
well zebra i got the same issue next week a cu change in dudley a block of flats so i,l be on the phone monday myself to try to isolate . without cutting seals so i,l let you no .theres two parts to the cu one for sockets and one for lighting and theres a gap of about 35 inchs between them so that should be fun .not going to fit in one booard like i wanted .
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Well, as Spinks so rightly points out, I wont need to make a phone call as the fairys always appear every time Im near, just like me they want to be close to me....or something like that
 
Archy Styrigg said:
Geordie, I've just noticed you're way over 6000 posts now.
It only seems like yesterday you were hassling to get in the 3000+ club with less than 3000.

GS, Posting garbage since January 2011.
Looks like I've got some catching up to do! :smilielol5:
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Aye ... and now that I'm in the damn' 3,000+ club I'm wondering if it was worth the effort (and bribe to Marvo) What a damp squib that's turned out to be!!
 
jaythegooner said:
look on ebay you can buy them i got 100 seals and i use my own crimpers , but thats for private meters .
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I did look on Ebay - many times, but these's a snowflake in Hell's chance of me BUYING seals when I could blag them!!

You're quite new to the trade aren't you bonny lad - it shows - but you'll soon learn, ;)
 
Archy Styrigg said:
Knowledge was literally beaten into one on many occasions! :)
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Me too.

The cane, the strap, gym slipper - even the blackboard ruler and blackboard duster. If teachers behaved that way today, they'd end-up in jail but it worked for me. I hated those teachers at the time, but if I could meet them now I would shake their hands and thank them.

When I started my apprenticeship I thought the foreman was a right barstool who had it in for me. It seemed that no matter what I did I couldn't do right for doing wrong.

It got so bad I went for an interview as a grass cutter with the local council. I got the job, but had second thoughts and turned it down & persevered with my apprenticeship.

20 years later when I had my own business I wanted some special tooling made and I went to him - he had become the boss by then as THE boss had died - and got him to do it and I thanked him for the bloody good training he gave me. We became good friends after that.
 
In Scotland the energy suppliers will give seals to registered sparks. They state that they will prosecute sparks who cut seals but never heard of anyone being prosecuted yet.
 
Geordie Spark said:
Me too.

The cane, the strap, gym slipper - even the blackboard ruler and blackboard duster. If teachers behaved that way today, they'd end-up in jail but it worked for me. I hated those teachers at the time, but if I could meet them now I would shake their hands and thank them.

When I started my apprenticeship I thought the foreman was a right barstool who had it in for me. It seemed that no matter what I did I couldn't do right for doing wrong.

It got so bad I went for an interview as a grass cutter with the local council. I got the job, but had second thoughts and turned it down & persevered with my apprenticeship.

20 years later when I had my own business I wanted some special tooling made and I went to him - he had become the boss by then as THE boss had died - and got him to do it and I thanked him for the bloody good training he gave me. We became good friends after that.
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Hahaha...pretty similar experience myself at school.
I was 71-78, (brutally) thrashed on many an occasion. If it was nowadays, there would hardly be any teachers left in that school!
I came out with 9 O levels, 1 CSE (French!) & 3 A levels. If I'd gone to the local comprehensive, which was seriously dog rough at the time, I'd have almost certainly left at 16 without a single qualification to my name.

Am I emotionally scarred from all that, Am I ----! My life would almost certainly be considerably worse than it is now, if I hadn't had a bit of sense beaten into me now and again.
 
Archy Styrigg said:
Hahaha...pretty similar experience myself at school.
I was 71-78, (brutally) thrashed on many an occasion. If it was nowadays, there would hardly be any teachers left in that school!
I came out with 9 O levels, 1 CSE (French!) & 3 A levels. If I'd gone to the local comprehensive, which was seriously dog rough at the time, I'd have almost certainly left at 16 without a single qualification to my name.

Am I emotionally scarred from all that, Am I ----! My life would almost certainly be considerably worse than it is now, if I hadn't had a bit of sense beaten into me now and again.
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I'm with you all the way.
 
biff55 said:
right , thats it , enoughs enough.

to the OP - if you need strangers on the internet to spell out to you how to cut the power for a CU change , then clearly you shouldnt be working on your own.

to the gooner - your use of the written language is a pityful garbled mess.
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It taken a while but at last somebody said something sensible :)
 
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telectrix said:
the problem is that your new tails have to go into the meter. loads of posters have said cut the fuse seals but don't touch the meter seals. this means using henley blocks to connect your new tails into the old meter tails. then you got to call supplier to connect them direct into meter. catch 22.
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well i dont give a tupenny damn....

i`ll cut them meter seals if it warrents it....i dont care....
 
jaythegooner said:
because to fit isolaters in every property would cost a fortune , this is why we tell customers to ring then they install , its planning , if the house cu is on fire then you ring straightaway . oh biff thanks i think .
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cost who a fortune?

the consumer...or the DNO....lol

the DNO for fitting the damn things....but not for the cost of fitting them....more like the lost revenue due to their callouts drying up..

the recent debacle over smart meters should be enough evidence here....lol..
 
coachincolin said:
In Scotland the energy suppliers will give seals to registered sparks. They state that they will prosecute sparks who cut seals but never heard of anyone being prosecuted yet.
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Not my experience at all in my area. Hydro allow NICEIC/SELECT sparks to cut seals so long as appropriate PPE is used etc. They reseal when the meter is next read
 
Badged01 said:
I always seem to remember the use of them on me in the classroom preceded by the words ...... "you laddie at the back"
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I don't remember ever getting any advanced warning of an attack - it just happened - a totally unannounced air strike by a blackboard duster

Those wooden blackboard dusters had some weight behind them mind when they landed on yer heid.
 
I can't remember exactly what was said now, but did you say you always upgrade tails to 25mm on a CU change? Thanks, Daz
 
if 16mm tails have been there for donkeys, i'd leave them in unless there was concern with an increased load that may overload them.
 
I was querying what the op said, rathee than asking the question myself. Daz
 
Ah, in all the confusion of 8 pages of this thread I got confused !!. It was 'jaythegonney's post (no. 24) I was querying. Apologies to the OP. Daz
 
Daz,

Myself, and I suspect most sparks only upgrade the tails, if they are damaged (old VIR crumbling), or grossly undersized or too short etc., albeit I only use 25mm tails now (in domestic), for both new builds where a 100A fuse may fitted, and because I only stock one size for domestic, not because I have to fit 25mm in all cases, but just because it makes sense to rationalise stock.
 
spark 68 said:
Daz,

Myself, and I suspect most sparks only upgrade the tails, if they are damaged (old VIR crumbling), or grossly undersized or too short etc., albeit I only use 25mm tails now (in domestic), for both new builds where a 100A fuse may fitted, and because I only stock one size for domestic, not because I have to fit 25mm in all cases, but just because it makes sense to rationalise stock.
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I was just interested as he seemed to be implying that he would automatically change them on any CU change. Daz
 
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