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Can I run a dishwasher and washing machine off a double socket which is off a spur
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Hi thanks for reply this is a single socket for for washing machine which is spur off ring maln assume I’m trying to get power to a dishwasher my only other option is a double socket which is supplying a hob ignition and a electric oven and swop for triple socket this again is a spurPirate's point is an important one. Spur (as I assumed), or spur off of a spur?
If I was doing the job, I'd fit 2 x 1G13A sockets in a dual pattress, but this technically means that one socket is a spur off of a spur (which is not allowed), while the overloaded 2G socket is.
my only other option is a double socket which is supplying a hob ignition and a electric oven and swop for triple socket this again is a spur
Have you checked the wattage of each appliance?.Are they the newer energy saving ones?Can I run a dishwasher and washing machine off a double socket which is off a spur
So you have a single socket, and want to make it into a double? If so, fit double pattress and a 1G socket in each.
As I wrote above, technically contrary to regs, but safe.
How do I screw both gangs inSo you have a single socket, and want to make it into a double? If so, fit double pattress and a 1G socket in each.
As I wrote above, technically contrary to regs, but safe.
Thing is, there's only excess current drawn when both appliances are heating water at the same time. Dishwasher heats water for fairly long periods during it's cycle, but washing machines, with modern 'green' detergents and low temperature cycles are only drawing high currents for very short periods.A big sign saying “don’t run washing machine and dishwasher at the same time!”
Without knowing exactly when each appliance is on its heating cycle…. Better just to have one on at a time.Thing is, there's only excess current drawn when both appliances are heating water at the same time. Dishwasher heats water for fairly long periods during it's cycle, but washing machines, with modern 'green' detergents and low temperature cycles are only drawing high currents for very short periods.
Thanks for your help I will do that but I can’t understand the difference between this dual pattrass and double socketShould read "dual pattress", not "double". This essentially two single pattresses,, side by side, in the same moulding.
t5he one you will be used to is for a double socket. the one he's referring to is slightly wider with a divider and inboard lugs so as to accept 2 single sockets side by side. reason for using 2 singles is that a single socket is rated 20A whweas a double is 20A total for both sides.Thanks for your help I will do that but I can’t understand the difference between this dual pattrass and double socket
Dishwasher is about 1800 kw washer 2000 kw if I have them on separate am I ok I will still use duel pattressBad practice, but just about acceptable. Unlikely to cause problems unless both appliances are regularly heating water at the same time.
Thanks I am using white plastic surface back box is this okt5he one you will be used to is for a double socket. the one he's referring to is slightly wider with a divider and inboard lugs so as to accept 2 single sockets side by side. reason for using 2 singles is that a single socket is rated 20A whweas a double is 20A total for both sides.
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As explained earlier, you just have to loop from one to the other... Creating a spur from a spur. Of course, not strictly allowed within regs.With itbeing a spur and only one cable how do I connect two singled
As explained earlier, you just have to loop from one to the other... Creating a spur from a spur. Of course, not strictly allowed within regs.
I will do that then is there any point having switched socketsthis one then. think there's a knock-out between the comoartments.
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I think just a spur there is a fuse for it on wall opposite on a panelyou'll find switched sockets are cheaper than unswitched.
Is it just a spur, or is there a switch controlling it above the worktop?
What is the rating of that fuse??I think just a spur there is a fuse for it on wall opposite on a panel
If it’s coming off a 13A fused switch spur then you are way over the 13A limit.I think just a spur there is a fuse for it on wall opposite on a panel
From the thread title, I thought you were on about 'plumbing in' not 'plugging in'.Can I run a dishwasher and washing machine off a double socket which is off a spur
Agree NOT an ideal way of installing the machinesDish washer and washing machine on same double socket.
Definately not.
Regs may say yes. I say NO.
I would put good money on that socket will melt and burn out. Far too big a load on one double socket.
@brianmoooore spot on, bad practice. But I disagree with the “unlikely to cause problems”. My money is on melted socket.
as for it being a spur. That is not relevant. 2.5 mm cable will cope with the load. It’s the socket that won’t.
just my opinion.
guidance. And I repeat the word is “ guidance” recommends any appliance over 2 Kw should be on its own dedicated circuit.
I think just a spur there is a fuse for it on wall opposite on a panel
Will show pic of fuse laterI did query this back in post 8. No good, fuse won't last long, but while it lasts it will be subjected to repeated low overload which is what we are very much supposed to avoid.
So the next question is whether the fuse is actually needed?
If the fuse isn’t needed what can I doI did query this back in post 8. No good, fuse won't last long, but while it lasts it will be subjected to repeated low overload which is what we are very much supposed to avoid.
So the next question is whether the fuse is actually needed?
Right can’t do it that way what about on the other side I put a dual pattrass for dishwasher and oven with an adapter for hob ignitionyou'll find switched sockets are cheaper than unswitched.
Is it just a spur, or is there a switch controlling it above the worktop?
3ampWhat is the rating of that fuse??
Hi can I put in a dual pattrass from a spur and run dishwasher and oven and an adapter for hob ignitionBad practice, but just about acceptable. Unlikely to cause problems unless both appliances are regularly heating water at the same time.
NoHi can I put in a dual pattrass from a spur and run dishwasher and oven and an adapter for hob ignition
Trouble is you lot all say different fhingsNo
for the same reason as post 4 and post 29.
forget about dual pattresses. I think that was a red herring due to insufficient information .
now we have that information let that idea go.
You led us to believe that this is a simple spur off of a RFC. Now it turns out that this is probably not the case.Trouble is you lot all say different fhings
Yes . We do. Sorry about that.Trouble is you lot all say different fhings
A big sign saying “don’t run washing machine and dishwasher at the same time!”
Trouble is you lot all say different fhings
I know what I wanted to knowThe terminology used has been confusing throughout this post. I'm more inclined to trust pictures than words.
I think the only DIY compatible way forwards is to establish that the device with a 3 amp fuse in it is indeed an FCU, and establish what the cable is connecting it to the single socket.
If we could have
-a photo of the FCU which has the 3 amp fuse in it
-a photo of what we are being told is the single socket the other side of the room that is connected to said FCU
-with the power off, a photo of the wiring behind both of these
...then depending on what the photo's show there might be a relatively easy DIY way out of this.
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