Push fit or lever wagos ?

[Stress head]

Hi just gonna order some wagos for the first time.
Which is best to use the push fit or lever type connecters ?
I'm mainly gonna use them for loop in/out lighting so only need one cable to light fitting.

Cheers

 

[RWJ]

Depends on what I'm doing really!!! But I get through far more push fits

 

[DaveyD]

Firstly I liked the cage clamps, seemed more solid and be easier to get out BUT I now perfer the push fit. You can see the copper locked in, its less fiddly than getting the clamps up. Only use cage clamps now for stranded.
Hope this helps.
Kind Regards
David

 

[Phil]

Hi just gonna order some wagos for the first time.
Which is best to use the push fit or lever type connecters ?
I'm mainly gonna use them for loop in/out lighting so only need one cable to light fitting.

Cheers

don`t be just taking one cable to the fitting. you will loose the industry thousands over the years take as many as you can down and it will keep the call outs up

 

[Phil]

back to the wagos i get through more push fits tbh

 

[bugsy]

Push fits for solid on the fixed installation and levers for stranded ,finals for downlighters etc

 

[DaveyD]

don`t be just taking one cable to the fitting. you will loose the industry thousands over the years take as many as you can down and it will keep the call outs up

I'm tired, had to read that three times before I laughed - good one

 

[Des 56]

Wagos, push fit,lever,this is out of my depth

The only push fit contraptions that I have reluctantly ever needed to fit, are those sealed bathroom fitttings like a bulkhead that for scale of economy has no screws, only these crappy push the bare wire into it things

If wagos are based on that type of concept then I will not be educating myself as to their use or availability
The concept of steady preasure push fit connections fills me with nothing less than complete suspicion, but more with "no way in this world" can such a flimsy connection be adequate

 

[Phil]

Wagos, push fit,lever,this is out of my depth

The only push fit contraptions that I have reluctantly ever needed to fit, are those sealed bathroom fitttings like a bulkhead that for scale of economy has no screws, only these crappy push the bare wire into it things

If wagos are based on that type of concept then I will not be educating myself as to their use or availability
The concept of steady preasure push fit connections fills me with nothing less than complete suspicion, but more with "no way in this world" can such a flimsy connection be adequate

no mate a lot better than those i know the ones you mean though. i once had a load of wall lights with rubbish connections on them. drove me nuts fitting them

 

[nickblake]

Des im asuming youve never tried them then , i just love wagos for get your terminal block ,BAE systems have tested them at 16 G i think it was terminal blocks desintegrated but the wagos were in one piece if they are good enough for BAE its good enough for me , like you i was very unsure about them till i tried them and wow talk about time saving ,ive just done a CDU relocation used wago push fit din rail mounted , to join the cables what a differance very quick and look neat to so des give them a try mate

 

[Zimmer]

Wago levers for me every time.

 

[pushrod]

and wow talk about time saving ,ive just done a CDU relocation used wago push fit din rail mounted , to join the cables what a differance very quick and look neat to so des give them a try mate

Hi Nick, you got a photo of that, be interested to see it if you have (Have seen the glossy pic on the website). I'm going to do something similar but thought the wago connectors and enclosure were a bit pricey so was going to make up my own DIN rail box and use the connectors screwfix sell. Cheers.

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Buy the contractors box, you get a bit of everything, then top up as required.

 

[nickblake]

Hi Nick, you got a photo of that, be interested to see it if you have (Have seen the glossy pic on the website). I'm going to do something similar but thought the wago connectors and enclosure were a bit pricey so was going to make up my own DIN rail box and use the connectors screwfix sell. Cheers.

not got one of it im afraid well not at the mo , im going back there next week so ill try and get one for you , they are a bit pricey especially the green and yellow ones so ive used blue and the gray ones and ill be honest i did it in half the time of using normal din connectors as theres no screws just push them on and move to the next very very good so saying the money in the time it takes to install

 

[Phil]

not got one of it im afraid well not at the mo , im going back there next week so ill try and get one for you , they are a bit pricey especially the green and yellow ones so ive used blue and the gray ones and ill be honest i did it in half the time of using normal din connectors as theres no screws just push them on and move to the next very very good so saying the money in the time it takes to install

i get mine for about 70p each from the electric ctr and they seem as good as the wago ones. if you want a couple of samples let me know and i will order some in

 

[topquark]

I've only ever used the lever type.

 

[DurhamSparky]

i use pus fits and also the lighting push/cage clamp version for downlights!!

 

[pushrod]

not got one of it im afraid well not at the mo , im going back there next week so ill try and get one for you , they are a bit pricey especially the green and yellow ones so ive used blue and the gray ones and ill be honest i did it in half the time of using normal din connectors as theres no screws just push them on and move to the next very very good so saying the money in the time it takes to install

Doing it for myself and time is one thing i have plenty of so price is a bit more important to me - as long as the quality is ok. Probs going to use these(Electrifix) at about 44p each - slower but should do the job well enough. What did you think of the Wago enclosure - space and access wise for cables?

 

[nickblake]

i get mine for about 70p each from the electric ctr and they seem as good as the wago ones. if you want a couple of samples let me know and i will order some in

that would be great phil always looking for new things to try but let me know the cost and ill send you some money mate

 

[nickblake]

Doing it for myself and time is one thing i have plenty of so price is a bit more important to me - as long as the quality is ok. Probs going to use these(Electrifix) at about 44p each - slower but should do the job well enough. What did you think of the Wago enclosure - space and access wise for cables?

they are quite spacey but i have to admit i tend to use adaptable boxes and cut the holes to suit the amount of cables im installing and the use an armoured cleet to secure them , im sure ive used some of the electrofix ones and they were quite good but it was a while ago

 

[pushrod]

they are quite spacey but i have to admit i tend to use adaptable boxes and cut the holes to suit the amount of cables im installing and the use an armoured cleet to secure them , im sure ive used some of the electrofix ones and they were quite good but it was a while ago

Yep that is what i am going to do - have found a plexo box that easily takes a DIN rail in preformed holes in it.

 

[Phil]

i use the adaptable boxes too.

 

[eskimo39]

What are peoples feelings regarding using wago's for lighting without an enclosure?

 

[nickblake]

What are peoples feelings regarding using wago's for lighting without an enclosure?

they do need an enclosure , pvc pvc cables are double insulated outer insulation then the inner insulation covering the copper his insulation is required so you have to install them in an enclosure which has strain relief hence your 17th edition junction boxes

 

[Graeme Harrold]

I buy direct from Wago and get 8 packs of enclosures (then P&P free). They are made for the job and slip easilly through downlighter holes. Its all click fit and the cable clamp is integral. As for the din rails clamps, I have used IMO adaptable boxes in the past, plenty of room inside (depth wise).

 

[johnboy6083]

dont forget though, for people who havent used the din rail terminals before, that you need to blank the live side off, after the last terminal, and that the g/y ones bond to the rail, so when your testing, you will have to disconnect the earths from them, otherwise you will be measuring all the cpcs, and earths connected via these terminals
when ive used these remotely from the CU, i dont bother with the g/y terminals for that reason.

 

[pennywise]

I only ever seem to use the lever type, I only use the one size of push fit Wago the one that excepts 6mm as the levers don't go that large

 

[SirKit Breaker]

The helacon pushfit connectors are very good as well, in my humble opinion just as good as wago, but a bit cheaper. i have fit hundreds and none have failed yet. There is a difference though, Wagos are reusable, but helacon have to be cut off, so you can only use them once.

I love the wago's when i am testing, make life very easy.

Cheers........Howard

 

[alanl]

Hi Nick, you got a photo of that,

This isnt my photo, it is a contributer from a newsgroup, but I have done the same twice now on CU changes.
http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/cu1.jpg
http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/cu2.jpg

 

[SPARTYKUS]

someone told me Wago's are military spec (what ever that means). But it sounds good.

 

[daver]

The helacon pushfit connectors are very good as well, in my humble opinion just as good as wago, but a bit cheaper. i have fit hundreds and none have failed yet. There is a difference though, Wagos are reusable, but helacon have to be cut off, so you can only use them once.

I love the wago's when i am testing, make life very easy.

Cheers........Howard

Have to agree, Helacon are very good. They can be released, the little pic on the box shows you how, but what a pain. The money your saving is wasted trying to wiggle them out. Easier to cut them off.

Just my 2p's worth

Dave

 

[cadspark]

I use wago's and wago boxes. Saves so much time. Lever type are best.

 

[drew35]

It depends what you're using them for, the push fit ones I think are only rated to 20 amps or so, and the lever type 32amps. I know it wasn't written in any of the paper work that came with my order, I had to go looking.

 

[DaveyD]

It depends what you're using them for, the push fit ones I think are only rated to 20 amps or so, and the lever type 32amps. I know it wasn't written in any of the paper work that came with my order, I had to go looking.

There are 41A Wago's 3-Pole Pushwire Terminal Block 41A (Pack of 10pcs) - Pushwire Terminals - Products

Kind Regards, David

 

[nickblake]

There are 41A Wago's 3-Pole Pushwire Terminal Block 41A (Pack of 10pcs) - Pushwire Terminals - Products

Kind Regards, David

Well if im not mistaken the push fit are rated at 24 amps as you have stated the levers are 32 amps and the nice chunky push fits for 6mm cable are 41 amps used them a few times ,was going to send a pic in of the wago's installed on a din rail i did a while ago but not been back yet i will though , one use i do have for the lever wagos is the 2 way ones is the R1R2 tests great to have a couple in the test kit

Nick

 

[Engineer54]

one use i do have for the lever wagos is the 2 way ones is the R1R2 tests great to have a couple in the test kit
Nick

That's a very good use for those lever Wago's, and a good tip for others to follow, if they don't already!!

 

[topquark]

Already do that, but I use a three way one with a bit of cable as the "test port" isn't accessible by my probe tips.

 

[mayfair]

Ok do the lever type fit in any of the wago boxes?

 

[DaveyD]

Ok do the lever type fit in any of the wago boxes?

Hi, yes there is a video on their website at Wagobox showing push and lever types in the wagobox.