Quick Pricing Enquiry

[mattcos1972]

Hey guys,
Just pricing up a rewire for a 2 bed Bungalow.

All concrete floors... so sockets / switches etc fed from loft which is accessible.
Quite a few strappers required for 2 way lighting around the place.
New CCU and repositioning required.
Armoured feed to a few sockets at the rear of the garden (70ft) clipped to fence.
Cooker.
Customers occupying house during rewire.


We are assuming chasing will be required for most (maybe every socket / switch) as it looks like existing cables are plastered in (not in conduit).

Apart from that all else looks normal.

I have the quote just over £3k...does that sound reasonable? Or a little bit

 

[mattcos1972]

Don't all rush at once!!

 

[chris gray]

how long is it likely to take you?
have you compiled a price for materials?
what sort of travelling is involved between site and home?

 

[flukey]

how far away are you repositioning the consumer unit??

 

[mattcos1972]

how long is it likely to take you?
have you compiled a price for materials?
what sort of travelling is involved between site and home?

Yep.
Materials circa £700 top end.
£750 for subcontractors
Site under a mile from home.
Estimate one week to complete
Just a hell of a lot of chasing!! lol

 

[mattcos1972]

how far away are you repositioning the consumer unit??

Hey Flukey.
How you doing chap?

New unit will be in an adjoining room; but due to the lay out of the house its actually not moving more than a metre or so, as it's tucked in the corner of the existing room. The old cables are already routed past the proposed new location (which is in a cupboard) and meter tails will still be within the 3m allowed by their supplier (British Gas - I've checked their limit with them when I ordered a DP isolator on the mains)

Cheers
Matt

 

[mattcos1972]

I've been told I may be a bit low......

Obviously not by the client!!

 

[mattcos1972]

OK...I've revised it to just shy of £3.5k.......

 

[MvP Electrics]

how many points?

I would charge 4k+ from your description.

 

[mattcos1972]

how many points?

I would charge 4k+ from your description.

33 sockets / switches / FCUs
16 lights

Lots of strappers for lights as most rooms require dual control of more than one light.

I'm afraid of going too high, but dont want to appear too low either!! grrrrr!!

 

[andekoch]

what are the subcontractors doing?

does the material cost include the hire of a chaser and vac?

 

[mattcos1972]

what are the subcontractors doing?

does the material cost include the hire of a chaser and vac?

I already own the chaser and vac so that's catered for. Toying with the idea of getting another though!! lol

The thing is, I am not 100% that all the sockets will need chasing as there may be conduit in the wall in some instances. So I was thinking of leaving a proviso on the quote allowing that if we discover that we can bell the wires out then we'll adjust the price down accordingly. The quote in essence will be the worst case scenario.

The subcontractors will certainly be doing the chasing! lol!! Just helping generally with the installation, belling out wires etc and putting in fittings. I'll be the one testing or at least overseeing the testing (one of my subbies is doing his 2391 in July so he'll want to get some testing practice in. Ultimately though, my name will be on the cert.

 

[acat]

I already own the chaser and vac so that's catered for. Toying with the idea of getting another though!! lol

The thing is, I am not 100% that all the sockets will need chasing as there may be conduit in the wall in some instances. So I was thinking of leaving a proviso on the quote allowing that if we discover that we can bell the wires out then we'll adjust the price down accordingly. The quote in essence will be the worst case scenario.

The subcontractors will certainly be doing the chasing! lol!! Just helping generally with the installation, belling out wires etc and putting in fittings. I'll be the one testing or at least overseeing the testing (one of my subbies is doing his 2391 in July so he'll want to get some testing practice in. Ultimately though, my name will be on the cert.

Swearing is not permitted on this forum seriously if customer accepts the quote dont shoot yourself in the foot by doing that unless you are doing it to get more work from recommendations in which case a little swearing is allowed.


Chris

 

[mattcos1972]

Swearing is not permitted on this forum seriously if customer accepts the quote dont shoot yourself in the foot by doing that unless you are doing it to get more work from recommendations in which case a little swearing is allowed.


Chris

Haha!!
Hey Chris! I did rather blaspheme there didn't I? lol

Thing is, they are a lovely couple and I wouldn't want to hose anyone unnecessarily. I also wouldn't mind picking up the contract!

Did you get the chance to have a look at that pricing sheet I made?

 

[acat]

However lovely they may be you still need to eat and that little bit extra you make will help tide you over if things go quiet on you.

Still playing with it very very good must have taken you ages to put together. did you get the cd etc yet .


Chris

 

[flukey]

33 sockets / switches / FCUs
16 lights

Lots of strappers for lights as most rooms require dual control of more than one light.

I'm afraid of going too high, but dont want to appear too low either!! grrrrr!!

16 lights in a 2 bed bungalow, must big a big one

 

[mattcos1972]

16 lights in a 2 bed bungalow, must big a big one

Well I don't like to brag, Flukey!!

Sorry...couldn't resist!

Its not particularly massive but the garage has been converted to be an extra room and every room had a minimum of 2 lights, most actually had 3. Bathroom will be fitted with IP65 down lights too.
Also as many of the rooms are accessible from more than one entry point, most of the lights are 2 way, so i think about 3/4 of a mile of 3 & Earth will be needed!!

 

[rocker]

The subcontractors will certainly be doing the chasing! lol!! Just helping generally with the installation, belling out wires etc and putting in fittings. I'll be the one testing or at least overseeing the testing (one of my subbies is doing his 2391 in July so he'll want to get some testing practice in. Ultimately though, my name will be on the cert.

£750 for a week for a couple of unqualified cable runners? Really? I'm in the wrong line of business, giz a job!

 

[mattcos1972]

However lovely they may be you still need to eat and that little bit extra you make will help tide you over if things go quiet on you.

Still playing with it very very good must have taken you ages to put together. did you get the cd etc yet .


Chris

Hey Chris,
Yeah I got emailed a link yesterday. Haven't had a chance to open the mail yet.
That XL sheet only took about half an hour to throw together. I have found it really easy to bang quotes together. The bungalow took about 2 mins to quote using it. It was only my dithering that took 2 days!! lol!
I used to sit next to a girl at work who had a worrying obsession with XL and some of it must have rubbed off on me, cos I seem to know far too much about how to use it!!

The quote went in tonight. I settled on £3770 inclusive of VAT. I did tell the chap that the quote was for a worst case scenario and if we discovered that the entire house didn't require chasing then we would adjust accordingly. It'd only be a few hundred quid and I would be making a nice return anyway, so hopefully everyone is happy.

 

[mattcos1972]

£750 for a week for a couple of unqualified cable runners? Really? I'm in the wrong line of business, giz a job!

Haha! They're both qualified, just not Part P. Also I cunningly allowed for 10 days worth of subbies in the quote just in case we run over.

Anyway I have no problem paying the chaps well as long as I am still making money and it means I can spend longer sitting on my arse!!......That was a joke...I think!!

 

[rocker]

Nice! What's all this excel business, then?

 

[mattcos1972]

Nice! What's all this excel business, then?

I made a pricing sheet on excel. Pretty snazzy, it is! lol
If you want a copy PM me your email address chap, and I'll send you one over.

 

[djb_1983]

I would say £4500, sounds a lot of sockets, are you doing next doors as well? lol

 

[mattcos1972]

I would say £4500, sounds a lot of sockets, are you doing next doors as well? lol

Lol!
I've gone for just shy of £3800. They just want loads of sockets in lounge and their son had about a zillion extension cables and adaptors in his room. Also the lighting is all two way as every room, more or less, is walk through.

 

[phil194]

hi sorry to jump in on this thread any chance of a copy of your excel spreadsheet

thanks phil

 

[rocker]

Duuude I got the spreadsheet (thanks again) but is it a microsoft excel file?? I had the old 'we don't know what program created this file' nonsense, so opened it with excel and just got a crazy string of hieroglyphs in the file??

 

[mattcos1972]

Duuude I got the spreadsheet (thanks again) but is it a microsoft excel file?? I had the old 'we don't know what program created this file' nonsense, so opened it with excel and just got a crazy string of hieroglyphs in the file??

Hey Rocker,
Do you have Office 2003?
If so it won't open chap, as I made it on Excel 2007. I'll send you a 2003 compatible copy........I'm good like that!

 

[mattcos1972]

hi sorry to jump in on this thread any chance of a copy of your excel spreadsheet

thanks phil

No worries Phil.
Send me your email address on a PM and I'll send you a copy.

Matt

 

[rocker]

Hey Rocker,
Do you have Office 2003?
If so it won't open chap, as I made it on Excel 2007. I'll send you a 2003 compatible copy........I'm good like that!

Ah ha, good man! Yes I do have 2003.

 

[phil194]

thanks

 

[Phil]

nice one thanks matt

 

[mattcos1972]

thanks

You're welcome chap.

 

[mattcos1972]

nice one thanks matt

You're welcome mate.

 

[Voltimax]

Hi Matt I would have sent you a PM, but my post count isn't high enough yet, so sorry to threadjack. I wondered if I could have a look at your spreadsheet, in exchange for one I currently use. I'm always interested in other peoples excel goodies as sometimes there are things I can incorporate into my own. I'd be more than happy to send you a copy of mine if your interested

Drop me a line, my email is [email protected]

 

[rocker]

Great stuff, done a bit of jiggery-pokery to suit my needs and prices (blummin 'eck you buy some 'spensive stuff) and it's proper. Nice one man, I think it's going to come in very handy.

 

[flukey]

cheers matt, very handy spreadsheet youve produced there

 

[Tapouchoke]

hi matt & guys

would it be possible to have acopy of the exel sheet in exchange for mine

its good to se what us sparkys are charging up and doewn the country

 

[mattcos1972]

hi matt & guys

would it be possible to have acopy of the exel sheet in exchange for mine

its good to se what us sparkys are charging up and doewn the country

Hey chap,
You're welcome to a copy.
PM me your email address and I'll send it on to you.

Matt

 

[mattcos1972]

cheers matt, very handy spreadsheet youve produced there

Cheers Flukey, you're welcome mate.

 

[mattcos1972]

Great stuff, done a bit of jiggery-pokery to suit my needs and prices (blummin 'eck you buy some 'spensive stuff) and it's proper. Nice one man, I think it's going to come in very handy.

Nice one Rocker.
If you think I'm over paying for stuff let me know where you get yours chap. I have only recently started up so still looking for the best places to buy gear.
Cheers.

Matt

 

[rocker]

Well you're buying all MK stuff, which many swear by, but I've never been particularly impressed. While I'll admit the really cheapo stuff can be rubbish, for white accessories I find the mid/mid-low priced stuff perfectly usable and often 1/3 or even 1/4 the price.

Really though, a great tool, I'm using excel on a hell of a lot of things, God knows why I didn't think of this!

 

[mattcos1972]

Well you're buying all MK stuff, which many swear by, but I've never been particularly impressed. While I'll admit the really cheapo stuff can be rubbish, for white accessories I find the mid/mid-low priced stuff perfectly usable and often 1/3 or even 1/4 the price.

Really though, a great tool, I'm using excel on a hell of a lot of things, God knows why I didn't think of this!

Cheers Rocker.

I quite like the MK stuff. I tried Superswitch once at my place as I have no cpc on my lighting circuit and superswitch have the blanking thingies to cover the screws, but they look quite cheap, I think. Also I find that customers like hearing the name MK and seeing it on a quote, as its something they have heard of and trust etc.. Saying that I have no interest in MK CCUs!! lol! Give me a Wylex any day!!
When all is said and done you only need to look at the xl sheet to see that the cost of the materials is almost irrelevant when you tot up how much I charge to install them!! lol! Ooh did I say that out loud?!!

 

[peter]

I think thats a reasonable price indeed. I would have quoted £3500- £3800 to be honest as its occupied.

Good luck with the job my friend.

Pistol Pete.

 

[mattcos1972]

I think thats a reasonable price indeed. I would have quoted £3500- £3800 to be honest as its occupied.

Good luck with the job my friend.

Pistol Pete.

Cheers Pete! I'll keep my fingers crossed; not heard back yet, but only dropped the quote in on Thursday night.

 

[rocker]

Cheers Rocker.

I quite like the MK stuff. I tried Superswitch once at my place as I have no cpc on my lighting circuit and superswitch have the blanking thingies to cover the screws, but they look quite cheap, I think. Also I find that customers like hearing the name MK and seeing it on a quote, as its something they have heard of and trust etc.. Saying that I have no interest in MK CCUs!! lol! Give me a Wylex any day!!
When all is said and done you only need to look at the xl sheet to see that the cost of the materials is almost irrelevant when you tot up how much I charge to install them!! lol! Ooh did I say that out loud?!!

Ha ha nice. I've heard a lot about customers liking and trusting MK stuff, and when I was just starting I used to do two quotes, one with MK one with standard. Maybe people round here are less educated but never had an MK request so stopped bothering with them. See them a lot in things I'm taking off, don't know if that's a coincidence, and used them on one large job for someone who didn't ask for MK but did want 'expensive ones' where I found the terminal screws to be good but the plastic to be quite brittle.

Totally agree on the C/U front, have done one or two MK sentry boards and while they had a massive amount of room to work in, I hate the poncey busbars. Much prefer Wylex style boards, but again I shop around and on Durham's advice have used a few Proguard boards lately and found them great - slightly (VERY slightly) lower quaity plastics than Wylex and Crabtree (but let's be honest, plastic looks tacky regardless) but otherwise spot on.

 

[Tapouchoke]

big high five to you matt what do you thinlk off mine

all the best

 

[mattcos1972]

big high five to you matt what do you thinlk off mine

all the best

OMG the prices are cheap!

 

[mogga]

Last "domestic" job i did the guy speced Wandsworth ffs we let him get the stuff expensive n wasnt the best to work with either but hey the clear plate over the paper insert to match the paint of the walls pernikkity plonker

 

[rocker]

Wandsworth are the height of ponciness

 

[Rikki Barrett]

Read this thread and I have to ask. What is the chances of getting a look at this spreadsheet......I want to see it to!!!! haha

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