Rose outside zone 2 but 230v lamp below zone 2

[cdmh electrical]

Hi i recently informed a customer that they needed an enclosed fitting in the bathroom. They had a batten holder with the rose above 2.25 m but the lamp was below 2.25 m meaning the 230v lamp is in zone 2. Its a PME system and the lights are not on an RCD.
The customer has been told that i was wrong by another electrician (probably the one who installed the batten holder) and is asking me to change them back and refund him. Would appreciate some advise on what you guys think please. many thanks.

 

[Midwest]

Direct them to electrical safety first: Bathroom Safety & Electricals | Electrical Safety First There are various pdf files about zones in bathrooms, google 'electrical zoning in bathrooms' for example. Photo copy the appropriate page in your electricians guide to building regs. I suppose the issue you have, is demonstrating that the glass bit of the light bulb isn't IPX4 rated!

 

[andyb]

Hi i recently informed a customer that they needed an enclosed fitting in the bathroom. They had a batten holder with the rose above 2.25 m but the lamp was below 2.25 m meaning the 230v lamp is in zone 2. Its a PME system and the lights are not on an RCD.
The customer has been told that i was wrong by another electrician (probably the one who installed the batten holder) and is asking me to change them back and refund him. Would appreciate some advise on what you guys think please. many thanks.

How did this come about? were you doing a periodic or undertaking work in the bathroom?
Did the other electrician do a like for like replacement? did he mention the requirement for rcd protection?
Did you mention rcd protection?

Difficult to say what you should do without a bit more background really, other than to say that I wouldn't change it back to how it was in any circumstances.

 

[Midwest]

Or tell to go to B&Q or other DIY store and ask the store to recommended to them an IPX4 rated ceiling rose!

 

[cdmh electrical]

I was doing a safety electrical condition report. The house is quite new and conforms to the 16th edition regulations. But the bathroom light in my eyes isn't even up to 16th edition regs.

 

[Paul.M]

. I suppose the issue you have, is demonstrating that the glass bit of the light bulb isn't IPX4 rated!

As above ^^^

Have a read of reg 701.55 then ask the customer to prove that the lamp has an IPX4 rating.

 

[andyb]

I was doing a safety electrical condition report. The house is quite new and conforms to the 16th edition regulations. But the bathroom light in my eyes isn't even up to 16th edition regs.

Then it depends on what code you gave it, was there supplementary bonding?

The bottom line is that you have given your professional advice and the client has accepted it.
It sounds like you have done exactly as I would have done and do.

 

[Octopus]

What code did you give the light fitting?

 

[cdmh electrical]

code 2

 

[Simlec]

So how did you get to a code 2 with no reference to a reg number?

 

[davesparks]

code 2

What is the potential danger?

 

[cdmh electrical]

I had a regulation number i was just double checking as it had been queried by another electrician.

 

[cdmh electrical]

Hi just to let you all no i rang the niceic technical helpline and they confirmed that i was right and it was a code 2. Thanks for all the helpful comments.

 

[davesparks]

Hi just to let you all no i rang the niceic technical helpline and they confirmed that i was right and it was a code 2. Thanks for all the helpful comments.

What is the potential danger and which regulation number?

 

[cdmh electrical]

What is the potential danger and which regulation number?

The regulations are there to stop potential dangers

 

[davesparks]

The regulations are there to stop potential dangers

Yes, which is why I asked which regulation refers and what the potential danger is.

The lamp holder and flex are double insulated. Double insulated equipment is allowed in zone 2.

 

[Octopus]

Hi just to let you all no i rang the niceic NOT technical helpline and they confirmed that i was right and it was a code 2. Thanks for all the helpful comments.

Corrected that for you.

The NICEIC & Elecsa helpdesk is a complete joke - manned by unskilled, and non technical people. Another reason I ditched Elecsa

 

[cdmh electrical]

Yes, which is why I asked which regulation refers and what the potential danger is.

The lamp holder and flex are double insulated. Double insulated equipment is allowed in zone 2.

anything in zone 2 has to be at least ipx 4 a bc lamp and batten holder are not ipx 4

 

[Dave OCD]

Yes, which is why I asked which regulation refers and what the potential danger is.

The lamp holder and flex are double insulated. Double insulated equipment is allowed in zone 2.

The lamp holder isn't even insulated at all if the bulb is missing , I know there are thousands of these still in bathrooms across the country but I would consider such a light inadequate in a bathroom these days.

 

[andyb]

Yes, which is why I asked which regulation refers and what the potential danger is.

The lamp holder and flex are double insulated. Double insulated equipment is allowed in zone 2.

Flex? Is it a pendant then?