Shower circuit on living room ring (Customer only want CU changed)

[robo83]

Hi,

I visited a property today and after initial checks and before i go ahead with the quote i noticed that the shower (power shower) is supplied from the living room Ring.

I've informed the customer that this is not to regulations and requires its own supply. At the moment the customer doesn't want the new circuit installed for the shower and is expecting only a CU change.

How would you go about this and what actions would you take?

Regards,

Robo

 

[jackhammerJIM]

What is the electrical load of the shower ?

 

[HandySparks]

By 'power shower' do you mean an electrically heated shower or an electrically pumped one?

 

[jackhammerJIM]

To me power shower means electrically pumped .

 

[UKMeterman]

If it is electrical pumped then about say 250w then why not have it fed from a fused spur unit off the ring main?

 

[telectrix]

as above. clarification required.

 

[Adam W]

If it was an electrically heated shower the customer probably would have noticed it tripping out by now.
A shower pump can be spurred off a socket final.

 

[telectrix]

a new sherlock holmes mystery. the case of the disappearing OP.

 

[7029 dave]

I think he means power shower pump off the WH/CH . If so okay to spur down off RFC.

 

[telectrix]

we don't know what he means, he's buggered off.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

If it is a power shower I wouldn't want him changing my CU based on the info given so far.

 

[Sintra]

Glad the op isn't inspecting my house. My power shower is on the lighting circuit and fed in 1.5mm t&e.

 

[Flanders]

Glad the op isn't inspecting my house. My power shower is on the lighting circuit and fed in 1.5mm t&e.

me too mines on the upstairs ring manufacturers instruction says must be protected by a 3amp fuse , have not checked the load but im sure its only a couple of amps .

 

[telectrix]

bloody southerners with posy showers indoors. no wonder you're all soft. :44:

 

[7029 dave]

bloody southerners with posy showers indoors. no wonder you're all soft. :44:

You got a tin bath outside.?

 

[robo83]

My apologies for not replying sooner and incorrect information, i posted just before poping out.

The shower is an electrically heated shower, 7.2kw. At the moment no issues as there is minimal load on the rest of the ring.

 

[Flanders]

bloody southerners with posy showers indoors. no wonder you're all soft. :44:

I only live down the road from you we got inside showers by the 90s :biggrin:
And electric soon after that

 

[gazdkw82]

Is it on a 32A ring?

7.2kw is about 31A. They must have very little else plugged in at the time the showers running.

Having said that, cables and protective devices can cope with much higher ratings than the max listed. How longs an average shower? 6-8mins??

 

[7029 dave]

My apologies for not replying sooner and incorrect information, i posted just before poping out.

The shower is an electrically heated shower, 7.2kw. At the moment no issues as there is minimal load on the rest of the ring.

You need to stress to the client, that the shower circuit needs to be wired in the correct size cable and own radial,before any CU change, either he agrees to disconnecting the shower if no remedial allowed, otherwise walk away.

 

[Risteard]

Glad the op isn't inspecting my house. My power shower is on the lighting circuit and fed in 1.5mm t&e.

So is mine (and I will freely admit it was installed by me!).

 

[gazdkw82]

so do electrically pumped showers generally use less power than a electrically heated shower?

 

[7029 dave]

so do electrically pumped showers generally use less power than a electrically heated shower?

Yes they only use a few amps, it is just a pump.

 

[danf1966]

bloody southerners with posy showers indoors. no wonder you're all soft. :44:

You tough northerners don't wash anyway !

 

[robo83]

Is it on a 32A ring?

7.2kw is about 31A. They must have very little else plugged in at the time the showers running.

Having said that, cables and protective devices can cope with much higher ratings than the max listed. How longs an average shower? 6-8mins??

There is only a TV and a few low voltage lights on the rest of the circuit.

You need to stress to the client, that the shower circuit needs to be wired in the correct size cable and own radial,before any CU change, either he agrees to disconnecting the shower if no remedial allowed, otherwise walk away.

Thanks for this advice, this was the opinion i was taking and going to let them know tomorrow.

My apologies again for the bad explanation on the first post, my focus of the thread was dealing with the customer. My opinion was of walking away, i have had very little dealings with domestic clients and mainly commercial.

 

[TJ Anderson]

so do electrically pumped showers generally use less power than a electrically heated shower?

With respect, that is worrying that you need to ask that when you are quoting for corrective works in someone's home. Also, there is issues with loading 7Kw from a single point of the ring, which from your other post, you don't see as an issue either. Genuinely, you should leave this one until you have more experience (which you will get), it is not being fair to the client mate.

 

[7029 dave]

With respect, that is worrying that you need to ask that when you are quoting for corrective works in someone's home. Also, there is issues with loading 7Kw from a single point of the ring, which from your other post, you don't see as an issue either. Genuinely, you should leave this one until you have more experience (which you will get), it is not being fair to the client mate.

He is not the op.?

 

[gazdkw82]

With respect, that is worrying that you need to ask that when you are quoting for corrective works in someone's home. Also, there is issues with loading 7Kw from a single point of the ring, which from your other post, you don't see as an issue either. Genuinely, you should leave this one until you have more experience (which you will get), it is not being fair to the client mate.

with respect you should have gone to spec savers

 

[Midwest]

:disguise:

 

[Midwest]

so do electrically pumped showers generally use less power than a electrically heated shower?

There are some pumped and electrically heated showers, but they are, I believe, primarily manufactured for low water pressure supplies. Mira, for example produce some.

 

[Spoon]

. How longs an average shower? 6-8mins??

I presume you don't have any teenage kids?........
Have a work with some people that do, you may want to rethink your times.......

 

[TJ Anderson]

with respect you should have gone to spec savers ��

Yeah, definitely should have, sorry gaz!!