Sockets in bathrooms

[LastManOnline]

In France there is little chance that sockets would be removed as they already exist, so education is the only real way forward there.

Here we are debating if we should add sockets to bathrooms, and if we did we then would be facing the French dilemma of how to keep them from causing avoidable death/injury.

As I said before ultimately this is a political decision, not an engineering one, as it comes down to the question of convenience for bathroom sockets versus consequences of them being present.

And it is not about what you or I might want a socket for, it is about what other would do should it be present. For example, it would never occur to me to use a phone/laptop in a bath (even on battery mode), but obviously other do as sadly that French article on electrocution revealed. Similarly I would not fit a washing machine or dishwasher in a bathroom, but given a socket and water facilities that would happen pronto!

I agree that politics will be and indeed should be a involved regarding these decisions. It's clearly a decision on a much different level than increasing the size of the CPC in T&E (though I suspect there may have been a little politics there as well) because of the heightened safety factor.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Heightened safety factor by increasing the size of the CPC or decreasing it amazingly ambiguous statement.

 

[LastManOnline]

Heightened safety factor by increasing the size of the CPC or decreasing it amazingly ambiguous statement.

Ambiguous is spot on. Should never have mentioned anything about the CPC example. Was just trying to make a comparison between how much more serious the decision on including sockets in a bathroom is compared to increasing the size of the CPC. Anyway, now that I have your ear, how are you enjoying the sockets in your bathroom? ?

 

[Mike Johnson]

I enjoy them very much especially the wine fridge, by the way it's a utility room with a shower in one corner.

 

[nicebutdim]

Maybe that's best left for a thread about showers in living/working areas

 

[LastManOnline]

Yes UK electrical regulations can be very old fashioned at times, but have also been regarded as being among the safest in the world.
Should we lower our standards on some things to match what other countries do, or should they raise their standards to match what we do?

Of course we aren't perfect and there are areas where the UK needs to raise its standards to match the rest of the world, such as with TNCS supplies and earth electrodes.

Second attempt at this one

"UK electrical regs can be very old fashioned.."

You are correct. Buts its best if you point them out rather than me. So let's hear from you.
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"But have also been regarded as some of the best in the world.."

Correct again. I regularly highlight them on other forums.
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"Should we lower our standards.."

Never
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"UK needs to raise it standards re TNCS /earth electrodes like rest of world"

Name one country that has gotten it right with TNC-S?
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By the way, answers on this one open to all poster?
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I enjoy them very much especially the wine fridge, by the way it's a utility room with a shower in one corner.

Wine fridge? So while in the UK you are concerned about TV, s been balanced on edge of Bath, in France you are concerned about people remaining balanced on side of bath?

 

[Mike Johnson]

Your attempt at humour escapes me completely?

 

[LastManOnline]

Your attempt at humour escapes me completely?

Just a quip about drinking wine and maintaining balance. Was, nt meant to be offensive