Swimming pool help please

[Sarah Hill]

Hi, I’m not an electrician- just looking for some advice please - thanks. I’m looking at putting a small swimming pool in an industrial unit to open a swim school. The existing RCD board is currently in zone 1 and has lots of surface mounted cabling serving the existing lights etc, some also in zone 1. The landlord doesn’t want the RCD to be moved. Is it possible to create an enclosure which would put the RCD and associated cabling into a safe zone or even out of the pool room altogether? Thanks for your help.

 

[SparkyChick]

Hi Sarah, welcome to the forums.

Some pictures/plans showing the current and proposed layout may help.

Theoretically you could have a partition wall constructed to separate the electrics from the pool but the feasibility of that would all depend on layout which is where the pictures/plan would help.

 

[Sarah Hill]

Thanks, I don’t have plans yet but here’s a photo. The pool would end halfway between the yellow lines and stand 1m high. I’m also concerned about the cabling that you can see going over the ceiling as it would cross the end of the pool, would a suspended ceiling put this in a safe zone? How difficult would it be to move the RCD if it’s not feasible to cover it safely? Very grateful for your help

 

[littlespark]

How does the landlord feel about the swimming pool idea?

 

[Yozza19]

Don’t fur get it becomes a special location to so no pme

 

[Sarah Hill]

Landlord is happy with the pool

 

[westward10]

Don’t fur get it becomes a special location to so no pme

Where is this stated?

 

[Midwest]

I've seen some requests for advice but this one takes the biscuit. OP your only possible way of seeing if your swimming pool is viable, is to get in a contractor who has a good working knowledge of the regulations regarding swimming pools, it also seems you'll need to make some structural changes, and probably need planning consent or guidance. I've witnessed a local person running a swim school for young kids on the cheap (not suggesting you are) and it was quite frightening the short cuts taken.

 

[westward10]

I know of a hotel who did something similar to this whereby they had an existing dist board which they constructed a room around to contain it. We had a call that people were receiving small shocks from it when they reset the rcbos which were constantly tripping. The outcome was that over a period of time chemicals in the air had migrated to coat parts of the board internally and externally, you could actually measure voltage across the insulation of the conductors internally.

 

[Sarah Hill]

Thanks Midwest - as I said, just looking for general advice on the RCD. I have already built a pool and currently run a swimming school elsewhere so know what’s involved. Nothing will be done on the cheap, no shortcuts and properly qualified people will be employed to do a proper job. I was just looking for some indication of whether it’s feasible at all to enclose an RCD to safely and legally put it in a different zone as I can’t find any information on this. Thanks

 

[Sarah Hill]

I know of a hotel who did something similar to this whereby they had an existing dist board which they constructed a room around to contain it. We had a call that people were receiving small shocks from it when they reset the rcbos which were constantly tripping. The outcome was that over a period of time chemicals in the air had migrated to coat parts of the board internally and externally, you could actually measure voltage across the insulation of the conductors internally.

Thanks, that’s useful to know

 

[Toneyz]

I know of a hotel who did something similar to this whereby they had an existing dist board which they constructed a room around to contain it. We had a call that people were receiving small shocks from it when they reset the rcbos which were constantly tripping. The outcome was that over a period of time chemicals in the air had migrated to coat parts of the board internally and externally, you could actually measure voltage across the insulation of the conductors internally.

How was the problem overcome? IP board?

 

[westward10]

How was the problem overcome? IP board?

Still like it as far as I know, we quoted to put it on the reverse side so it would not be affected but heard no more.

 

[telectrix]

deffo think OP is out of her depth here. .

 

[Octopus]

Thanks, I don’t have plans yet but here’s a photo. The pool would end halfway between the yellow lines and stand 1m high. I’m also concerned about the cabling that you can see going over the ceiling as it would cross the end of the pool, would a suspended ceiling put this in a safe zone? How difficult would it be to move the RCD if it’s not feasible to cover it safely? Very grateful for your help View attachment 44571

I think you need to get a local spark or 2 to visit site with you to review this ................ then talk to the landlord .................

and get your cheque book ready!

 

[static zap]

Intrigued why landlord is "Keen" , as I thought pools took value off !

 

[Toneyz]

Intrigued why landlord is "Keen" , as I thought pools took value off !

I suppose the landlord is "keen" as if someone is going to invest this sort of money they are looking as a long-term thing that would guarantee long-term regular income.

 

[Midwest]

Thanks Midwest - as I said, just looking for general advice on the RCD. I have already built a pool and currently run a swimming school elsewhere so know what’s involved. Nothing will be done on the cheap, no shortcuts and properly qualified people will be employed to do a proper job. I was just looking for some indication of whether it’s feasible at all to enclose an RCD to safely and legally put it in a different zone as I can’t find any information on this. Thanks

Ok, not meaning to demean what you're asking. I think swimming pool installations should only be carried out by contractors with a lot of experience & knowledge in this field. I suppose asking opinions on this forum on this subject, could put your mind at rest, but only a complete site visit & investigation, can fully answer your proposals. IMO.

 

[Deleted member 105166]

Maybe reading this wrong, but I'm of the impression this is no more than a floor standing kids play pool erected within a frame, i.e. is not a permanent installation requiring structural work, therefore to the landlord it's a standard tenancy. The OP is however right to ensure the electrics are done properly.

 

[Midwest]

Maybe reading this wrong, but I'm of the impression this is no more than a floor standing kids play pool erected within a frame, i.e. is not a permanent installation requiring structural work, therefore to the landlord it's a standard tenancy. The OP is however right to ensure the electrics are done properly.

Its a swim school apparently; i.e. people paying to have their small charges taught to swim, in a safe & controlled environment, managed by a business.

 

[StephenRowley]

If you haven't already signed the contract with the LL tell him you'll be taking your money else where unless he agrees to moving the board.

 

[Toneyz]

If you haven't already signed the contract with the LL tell him you'll be taking your money else where unless he agrees to moving the board.

The landlord can't keep on moving the distribution board on every change of tenant.

 

[Deleted member 105166]

If you haven't already signed the contract with the LL tell him you'll be taking your money else where unless he agrees to moving the board.

Really? If I were the landlord and you put that one to me, I'd tell you exactly what to do with your money! That aside, if the landlord does agree to the board being moved, (a) all costs of doing so should be borne by the prospective tenant, paid in advance and (b) the contractor selected and instructed to do the work by the landlord, not the tenant.

 

[StephenRowley]

The landlord can't keep on moving the distribution board on every change of tenant.

This capitalism if someone isn't willing to give you what you want your take your dosh to somewhere that is . If the OP hasn't already signed the lease the the LL isn't willing to cater to the op requirements then the LL should loose out on the OP dosh.

 

[littlespark]

My LL question was regards weight of volume of water, in a tank, sitting on the floor of this building.

The question was posted before I saw the photograph and the OP’s reply, which only came through this morning.
I seem to be receiving posts in the wrong order.

 

[Midwest]

I've had that before. Someone suggested its because the OP is a new member, and there's some process involved, that OP posts have to be vetted somehow, before they are displayed?

 

[SparkyChick]

I've had that before. Someone suggested its because the OP is a new member, and there's some process involved, that OP posts have to be vetted somehow, before they are displayed?

That's how I understand it. As part of the SPAM (that's Spam Prevention And Moderation) program , there is an increased level of moderation. I'm guessing once new members reach a certain level of approved post count they will no longer be moderated.

 

[Spoon]

I've had that before. Someone suggested its because the OP is a new member, and there's some process involved, that OP posts have to be vetted somehow, before they are displayed?

The thing is, once the OP's post has been vetted it should go at the end of the post, not when they posted. It just makes the thread look silly and jumbled. I presume that they can't do that though..

 

[weevilward]

What is the blackening on and around the consumer unit? Is it just dirt?

 

[freddo]

I think it's just where the painter missed.

 

[DPG]

That's how I understand it. As part of the SPAM (that's Spam Prevention And Moderation) program .

Recursive acronym - can tell you're a software dude