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put it up for extra tender....Put it up for tender.................might get it done for a pint:nonod:
you might get a steak dinner.....
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put it up for extra tender....Put it up for tender.................might get it done for a pint:nonod:
put it up for extra tender....
you might get a steak dinner.....
I've been in the game 34 years since I started my time and have knocked a fair few nails in over the years. Now tell me why I should get a proper joiner in to build my new roof structure.I've been in the building trade for the past 27 years as a carpenter/builder and without trying to sound big headed know a fair bit about house building. Over the years i have altered a few sockets here and there without thinking too much of the consequences, whats wrong with wanting to be able to do this safely and to the current regs? Please explain why I should get a fully qualified electrician in to do this for me?
put it up for extra tender....
you might get a steak dinner.....
well yer out a luck......
i`v qwit drinkin....
or Kebab, chips and garlic sauce?
Quit drinking?? What's all this .... not a Ramadam a ding dong thing is it ???
I've been in the game 34 years since I started my time and have knocked a fair few nails in over the years. Now tell me why I should get a proper joiner in to build my new roof structure.
i don't think you're arrogant, just a little misguided.
what you should be aiming for is competence. the word 'qualified' gets banded-about quite a lot, but in reality, on it's own, it doesn't really mean anything.
of course, it's a good idea to have 'qualifications' as part of the package that proves competency. but along with this, you need experience and practical skills - something that can't be obtained in a classroom.
no....Quit drinking?? What's all this .... not a Ramadam a ding dong thing is it ???
I've been in the game 34 years since I started my time and have knocked a fair few nails in over the years. Now tell me why I should get a proper joiner in to build my new roof structure.
Yeah Trev..................
Stick your helpful answers
hi Leo...
oh 30 posts...member since 2009....
hit the road eh...
at least Trev talks sense.....
no....
it was getting all out of hand....
so i stopped...
i mean 18-24 pint sessions are hardly good for you are they....
I got no problems with that, you wont find a carpentry forum giving you grief for it though, If you can cut a roof on then all credit to you mate.
That wasn't really answering my question though? I wasn't trying to belittle electricians I've got every respect for those who do the job properly!
That's my point mate. I've got 2 good mates who are joiners who I've picked a load up from over the years but I wouldn't dream of taking on anything like that. I honestly believe in the old horses for courses thing. You have your area of expertise, we have ours and I think that that level of demarcation should be maintained, maybe I didn't choose my words carefully enoughI got no problems with that, you wont find a carpentry forum giving you grief for it though, If you can cut a roof on then all credit to you mate.
That wasn't really answering my question though? I wasn't trying to belittle electricians I've got every respect for those who do the job properly!
hi Leo....Irony Glenn, you jumped up tw*t
Irony Glenn, you jumped up tw*t
Sorry to sound cynical, but we've heard it all before on here.
Guys come on here saying "I just want to get qualified enough so that I can work alongside an experienced electrician and I definitely won't be working on my own until I'm confident that I can do all the work to a high standard in a few years." A few weeks later, the same guys say "Just about to rewire a massive house from scratch and don't know how to go about it. Can you all help me please? Also, don't knock me, I have a wife and family to support!"
Sorry, but fed up of hearing it and also following behind these people.
Shagbite;
Correct me if I am wrong but to be competent you still need to be given the chance to do some real life work. Without it, I doubt anyone will ever be competent at any industry.
That's my point mate. I've got 2 good mates who are joiners who I've picked a load up from over the years but I wouldn't dream of taking on anything like that. I honestly believe in the old horses for courses thing. You have your area of expertise, we have ours and I think that that level of demarcation should be maintained, maybe I didn't choose my words carefully enough
Sadly, experience shows that a lot of other trades think what we do is easy and go on to do some bloody awful work because "It's only a few wires, what can possibly go wrong" I'm not tarring you with that brush by the way, I'm only telling you what we have all seen in the course of our work
not fair shag mate....you've no chance of getting an apprenticeship at your age.
get in touch with XS training - they've got some nvq places left. you'll find their details in the list of sponsors on this site.
edit: tornado trev beat me to it!!
Ok ..and for quite a while I'vce been helping my builder mate with a house that he's rebuilt for himself.you probably know that I'm retired
He was originally going to do EVERYTHING himself - including the electrics - because "Aahh kanaa hoo t' dey it an' aave got me tools". Well, his tools consist of a pair of side cutters and a couple of screwdrivers that have seen better days, a £7-99 multimeter from Maplins that he doesn't know how to use or what it's for and a Martindale plug-in tester with 3 neon lights that tell him the socket's ok.
Anyway, I ended-up doing it for several reasons, but after the first fix he was itching to "help" with the second fix, so I let him fit a couple of sockets. Then I inspected them. BOTH had slack terminal screws (because of his knackered screwdriver) and one had a polarity reversal because he says "it doesn't matter - it still grafts" (works)
This is a bloke who has been doing leccy work in his customers' houses (extra sockets etc.) while there fitting new windows etc. for them !!
The job is now finished (just) and I was showing him the testing bit with my MFT and it was completely over his head, BUT he's now come to accept and admit that it's a Hell of a lot more involved that he thought for a good few years, and now realises just how dangerous his work has been. So, hopefully there's a lesson learned there.
I've done all the heating/plumbing/gas and alarm work too (Yes, I'm capable, competent and qualified) and he wanted to get involved in that too - until I told him a few facts of life regarding gas work & regs .....
not fair shag mate....
i would happily take on an older person....put em through....
no arsin about.
no textin all day.
a more mature mind that is able to take in info
it just gets better n better.....
i can smell the formaldehyde from here.
not fair shag mate....
i would happily take on an older person....put em through....
no arsin about.
no textin all day.
a more mature mind that is able to take in info
it just gets better n better.....
i know the feeling.....I agree entirely.
The best blokes I had working for me were 40+ years old Ex-shipyard lads.
This job I've been doing for my builder mate that I keep banging on about had his 23 year old Son working on it and he was a complete nightmare - radio on full blast and the mobile phone permanently wedged between his shoulder and ear while he was trying to work only using one hand, and the phone calls were lasting literally more than an hour!
The bloke was a total waste of time and whenever he came to me to ask if I wanted any help I would stick the brush in his hand. It was completely pointless giving him anything else to do because he would never finish it. If he made a mistake, he would never admit it and always try to pass the buck.
I lent him my SDS to drill from the front of the house to the inside, When I went to check on him he had disappeared to make a phone call leaving my drill lying unattended in the front garden in full view of anyone passing who may fancy it for themselves.
When I -------ed him , he tried to spin it back and somehow make it MY fault !!!
which one's geordie?
different stages in development....which one's geordie?
i know the feeling.....
when you dont want to turn round and look caus you know the boy is on his phone....
its like a lad that comes out with us..
he`s a lovely lad is Rory.....but if he isn`t on his phone texting for more than 2 mins its a miracle...
i even witnessed the lad trying to pull rods through with one hand....whilst attempting to text with the other this one time....told him to put the phone down and pay attention....which he did bless him....
but for christs sake...
well it were pubs n clubs with me....and everything that went with it...you and me both kid.
why the government only gives apprenticeships to kids is beyond me. i know if i'd have come into this trade fresh out of school, i'd have bowed out before my first year was up. i was having too much fun partying.
but as an adult - well, i'd have grasped it with both hands and i would have appreciated every minute of it.
hmm...Seriously Glen, had this kid been employed by me he would have got one warning to leave his phone in his pocket and if he didn't comply I would have smashed in with a hammer - even if it was in his ear at the time!!
well it were pubs n clubs with me....and everything that went with it...
i was a rite little shyt....
now, i didn`t start to grow up until about 22-24 ish...as you can tell its still in progress is that one....
its just this last year since i kicked the booze that i have finally settled down and started to get my life back....
When I was serving my apprenticeship which was 6 years long in engineering , I somehow managed to play in a band most nights ( average 25 nights per month) and work the Waltzer & Dodgems on the fairground (I remember Tidyboiler's family's rides coming to the Newcastle Town Moor long before I knew her) during the summer and STILL manage to get to work. Maybe that's why I'm so knackered now??
you weren't the one with the ponytail, hanging off the back of the dodgems, trying to cop-off with the schoolies were you?
lol...When I was serving my apprenticeship which was 6 years long in engineering , I somehow managed to play in a band most nights ( average 25 nights per month) and work the Waltzer & Dodgems on the fairground (I remember Tidyboiler's family's rides coming to the Newcastle Town Moor long before I knew her) during the summer and STILL manage to get to work. Maybe that's why I'm so knackered now??
Ok .. you probably know that I'm retired and for quite a while I'vce been helping my builder mate with a house that he's rebuilt for himself.
He was originally going to do EVERYTHING himself - including the electrics - because "Aahh kanaa hoo t' dey it an' aave got me tools". Well, his tools consist of a pair of side cutters and a couple of screwdrivers that have seen better days, a £7-99 multimeter from Maplins that he doesn't know how to use or what it's for and a Martindale plug-in tester with 3 neon lights that tell him the socket's ok.
Anyway, I ended-up doing it for several reasons, but after the first fix he was itching to "help" with the second fix, so I let him fit a couple of sockets. Then I inspected them. BOTH had slack terminal screws (because of his knackered screwdriver) and one had a polarity reversal because he says "it doesn't matter - it still grafts" (works)
This is a bloke who has been doing leccy work in his customers' houses (extra sockets etc.) while there fitting new windows etc. for them !!
The job is now finished (just) and I was showing him the testing bit with my MFT and it was completely over his head, BUT he's now come to accept and admit that it's a Hell of a lot more involved that he thought for a good few years, and now realises just how dangerous his work has been. So, hopefully there's a lesson learned there.
I've done all the heating/plumbing/gas and alarm work too (Yes, I'm capable, competent and qualified) and he wanted to get involved in that too - until I told him a few facts of life regarding gas work & regs .....
When I was serving my apprenticeship which was 6 years long in engineering , I somehow managed to play in a band most nights ( average 25 nights per month) and work the Waltzer & Dodgems on the fairground (I remember Tidyboiler's family's rides coming to the Newcastle Town Moor long before I knew her) during the summer and STILL manage to get to work. Maybe that's why I'm so knackered now??
much of the rest of the world uses radial finals throughout....I for once can admit that until doing this level 2, thought the same. I have heard of a few TVs getting fried due to this exact same problem. This is why we have polarity tests.
But it still puzzles me as to why wire it the wrong way round when these are clearly marked? One would thought for a reason would you not?
I'll put this forward that a friend of mine, a so called electrician in Portugal Lisbon. I don't want to take his merit away but I must as England is NOT Portugal. There's a different set of rules and regulations.
I remember him mentioning to me seeing MCB's in CUs for sockets (he did not know the term ring main) with two 2.5mm wires in. He was baffled! Why two wires? Surely one is enough?
Having now done this level 2 I have explained to him the nature of the 2 x 2.5mm cables and the ring main. Luckily he always screw them back on. But in Portugal this simply does not happen. Only one cable and in sockets are connected in series end off. Hey but I understand now the logic in it.
Another so called electrician was to change the MCB for what I was told to be an independent socket that was powering this industrial fridge/freezer on this baker/pastry house as the MCB was constantly tripping. I was told by the owner (a friend) that he was to change this MCB to double it's capacity. This was before I even thought about doing my course but I immediately asked him what size cable do you have on that circuit? And I explained to him that he did not want to have an MCB that exceeded the capacity of the cable on the circuit as this could be catastrophic. He could burn the house down. He was asking for trouble. I caused enough worry for him to seek a qualified competent electrician who rectified the problem off-course at a cost.
This electrician had to go a few times over to inspect everything as on his first floor he had sockets catching fire. He had relied in the first so called Portuguese electrician that costed him peanuts only to later pay a capable person to make it right and oh boy it cost him dearly.
I was also under the illusion that there wasn't much about being an electrician. I now know differently and take my hate to all you experienced guys. I still have to disagree as to why the hell on earth does one need to study motors to become an electrician???? Magnetism, OK fare enough but motors?
Anyone capable of enlighten me on this one? Motors?
Cheers.
Albert
much of the rest of the world uses radial finals throughout....
well, he was right there then....as i wouldn`t recognise it either....for finals that is...
Nope .... I was the one with the greasy quiff, sideburns, black leather jacket T-shirt with the Stars & Stripes on the front, blue drainpipe jeans with skull & crossbones belt buckle and winkle picker boots, and when I wasn't hanging off the back of the dodgem cars, I was spinning the cars on the Waltzer.
I still have the jacket and boots.
you`d think so...Aye, the house experts again.....RFC. Surely that would be taught to a 1st year apprentice/student
its the fomaldahyde...it`s got where it shouldn`t.....that one straight down the middle - the one who's hand's going for a wander - i think she's giving me a bit of a twitch-on.
a bit like this?
or has the bubble burst?....That's my incontinence pants your smelling ...
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