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I've emailed the Prime Minister's Office direct. Guess it makes sense to go straight to the top lol

I like that!

Here are some more suggestions.

The biggest influence on Government safety thinking is RoSPA "Our mission is to save lives and reduce injuries". But, although we tend to think of RoSPA as a charity - and they promote that idea heavily, if you take a look at their accounts you will see that it is a substantial business, with most of its funding coming from Government. One of their biggest income generators is the "SAFE AT HOME SCHEME" which they run on behalf of the Government. RoSPA are far from independent, and they do not like to rock the boat. They are driven by statistics rather than any direct analysis of what constitutes danger, and because there are no detailed statistics on accidents related to sockets they take the view that there is not a problem. Here is an extract from an email from RoSPA's Deputy Chief Executive:

"As our Policy statement on the subject suggests, we are deliberately neither in favour nor against the use of socket covers because on the positive side, they can prevent young children from plugging in appliances like hair straighteners...and reduce the risk of serious burns. On the negative side, the standard British plug socket is an inherently very safe design and there is no need to use socket covers in an attempt to make them even more safe. RoSPA's position won't change unless evidence suggests that socket covers have suddenly started to seriously harm hundreds of children every year."

That seems to us like hundreds too many to sacrifice!

RoSPA do not employ people with any expertise in the subject, their retained "Product Safety Consultant" once told me that the 13A sockets in his home did not have shutters, when I queried why he thought that, he told me that there was no sign of the shutters on the outside of the socket!

The RoSPA policy on electricity refers to "Modern 13-amp power sockets made to BS 1363:1995 incorporate a shutter mechanism, which prevent inappropriate access to the live connectors." That causes confusion. What it should say is, of course, "13-amp power sockets made to BS 1363 incorporate a shutter mechanism, which prevent inappropriate access to the live connectors." but understanding that all BS 1363 sockets have shutters seems to be beyond them!

How about everyone on this forum who feels strongly about this sends an email to RoSPA? [email protected]

While you are at it you could also contact the Child Accident Prevention Trust "We are committed to reducing the number of children and young people killed, disabled or seriously injured in accidents." CAPT says: "Electric sockets are less dangerous than you might think. They’re designed to prevent toddlers (and anyone else) getting shocks, so they’re quite safe. You do not need socket covers to make them safe, but they might stop young children plugging in appliances that can cause a fire. However, it’s much safer to put appliances away rather than rely on socket covers."

As FatallyFlawed points out in our FAQs, the idea that socket covers can prevent children plugging in dangerous appliances is simply wrong, and distracts from the message that such appliances should be kept safely out of reach.

Contact CAPT at [email protected]

(CAPT also wrote the piece on the Government website which says:
"Plug socket coversIt is very difficult for a child to get an electric shock by playing with a socket, so you shouldn't need to use socket covers. However, in some instances they may stop young children plugging in heaters or other appliances that could cause burns or start a fire. You should not rely on socket covers as they are not regulated for safety. It's much better to make sure appliances are safely put away.")

The Electrical Safety Council also gives confusing advice:
"Socket Blanking Plugs
We don’t promote the use of socket blanking plugs as we don’t consider normal household sockets a serious risk to children.
These sockets have built in safety shutters to prevent access to the live parts inside. However, we understand that using these plugs may give parents and carers additional peace of mind. It’s your choice."

Electricians know that these things are not safe, so why does the ESC say it is OK to use them? Contact them with your views at: [email protected]

And finally, contact your local MP and tell him/her what you think, and why.

Please make your voices heard!
 
I've just contacted our local BBC and ITV news services about the campaign but I'm now thinking there should be some sort of co ordination. Thoughts guys
 
I've just contacted our local BBC and ITV news services about the campaign but I'm now thinking there should be some sort of co ordination. Thoughts guys

I am going to ask Dan if he will ask members to start contacting the organisations I mention a couple of posts above, but I think that people sending messages in their own words is probably important, more effective than many folk sending the same message. You are all professionals, so your own views on the risks are what counts!

If you need to find the contact details for your MP, enter your postcode in the "Find your MP" box on this website: Lists of MPs - UK Parliament

I have attached the latest revision of our Fact Sheet which shows the dimensional errors of socket covers.
View attachment Socket_Cover_Pin_Dimensions.pdf

The founders of FatallyFlawed are very grateful to Tony for starting this thread, and for the enthusiastic responses it has generated. Let's keep up the push, and go for Gold!
 
What I meant by co ordination was to focus on one organisation at a time for example, one MP might get an email this week another might get one next but if we were to say this week we're going to hit MPs and a load of them get the info it might have more impact than them getting it one at a time, similarly with all the other organisations we need to hit
 
Go for it,you are all doing a great job.Keep using word of mouth.

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Go for it,you are all doing a great job.Keep using word of mouth.
 
I had these given me about 30years ago (i think) and noticed they were crap, the mrs plugged one in but when I tried to pull it out the earth pin snapped off leaving pos & neg open. Took faceplate off to get out, threw them in bin and told all our friends & relatives when we saw them. Forgot about them till I saw this thread.

Have now posted on facebook & twittered the link
 
Today I visited a job where the clients had just welcomed a new baby into their home, Two weeks old. Anyway I was only there for a brief moment as I was replacing a pull cord switch for them in their bathroom. As it took me longer to drink the cup of tea I was made we got chatting about the baby.... Straight away I asked if they had purchased any of these socket protectors... Yes was the answer.

I removed one from the packet, there were other items in there that they still wanted, and demonstrated exactly what can happen when it's put in correctly. The item snapped in half very easily allowing the top pin to push in far enough to open the conductor covers, I then got my voltage tester and inserted the probes inside to display how much voltage their baby could potentially come into contact with one day.... Not a single RCD in the property.

It turns out that the Mother is a preschool teacher/Nursery teacher and these products are fitted everywhere at her work place:( When I explained that she should request that they are moved she said "they won't listen to me" ???
 
Ive always said there not needed as they have internal shutters, HOWEVER I understand that with the socket covers in there easy to remove and they could be inserted upside down and the shutters will drop BUT even without them this can happen a child could poke something into the earth pin and down come the shutters just the same.

The MK ones however are a different story, there great, I'll only be installing them from now on.
 
Spoke with an Ofsted inspector some months ago and he said from being pro socket covers Ofsted were now sat on the fence and don't get mentioned in reports anymore

I like that!

Here are some more suggestions.

The biggest influence on Government safety thinking is RoSPA "Our mission is to save lives and reduce injuries". But, although we tend to think of RoSPA as a charity - and they promote that idea heavily, if you take a look at their accounts you will see that it is a substantial business, with most of its funding coming from Government. One of their biggest income generators is the "SAFE AT HOME SCHEME" which they run on behalf of the Government. RoSPA are far from independent, and they do not like to rock the boat. They are driven by statistics rather than any direct analysis of what constitutes danger, and because there are no detailed statistics on accidents related to sockets they take the view that there is not a problem. Here is an extract from an email from RoSPA's Deputy Chief Executive:

"As our Policy statement on the subject suggests, we are deliberately neither in favour nor against the use of socket covers because on the positive side, they can prevent young children from plugging in appliances like hair straighteners...and reduce the risk of serious burns. On the negative side, the standard British plug socket is an inherently very safe design and there is no need to use socket covers in an attempt to make them even more safe. RoSPA's position won't change unless evidence suggests that socket covers have suddenly started to seriously harm hundreds of children every year."

That seems to us like hundreds too many to sacrifice!

RoSPA do not employ people with any expertise in the subject, their retained "Product Safety Consultant" once told me that the 13A sockets in his home did not have shutters, when I queried why he thought that, he told me that there was no sign of the shutters on the outside of the socket!

The RoSPA policy on electricity refers to "Modern 13-amp power sockets made to BS 1363:1995 incorporate a shutter mechanism, which prevent inappropriate access to the live connectors." That causes confusion. What it should say is, of course, "13-amp power sockets made to BS 1363 incorporate a shutter mechanism, which prevent inappropriate access to the live connectors." but understanding that all BS 1363 sockets have shutters seems to be beyond them!

How about everyone on this forum who feels strongly about this sends an email to RoSPA? [email protected]

So it doesn't matter that these objects can damage the socket outlet and ultimately people. It seems to me many safety related organisations are too scared to get their heads out of the sand and have a blinkered approach to this subject of killing off these covers
 
Now posted to Conference Room 4
Also uk-fire.net (firefighters forum) mumsnet and gransnet, getting some good feedback there (apart from being told off for calling someone mate hehe). Going to find a few more today
 
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I was in my local Barnardos outreach office yesterday doing their PAT testing, and I spotted boxes of Mothercare 'home safety' packs that they give out..... gave them the talk and straight away the manager took on board what I was saying and has flagged it up with head office. Besides, I thought Mothercare had now stopped selling them??
 
A little update guys, maths legend Johnny Flippin Ball has given the campaign his endorsement. I've contacted several well known people and their management teams today with the intention of getting endorsements so we can use them to raise awareness. Looks like it's working:)
As and when they get back to me I'm going to ask them to put links on their sites to the campaign website
 
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A facebook share that I posted up seems to have gone viral fairly quickly which is a good sign - that's several thousand potential hits just before it leaves my 'direct' sphere of influence.

Trev, pm me who you've contacted for endorsements as, well, I know a lot of peeps and may have some ideas.
 
Right i have recieved a phone call from trading standards , what they have told me is that they are not regulated any one can make them ,there is also no requirement for them to be used ,as sockets are shuttered , and they have been trying to get clarity on these for the past 3 years ,what clarity im not sure , but they have forwarded the photographs and my letter to the health and safety executive not heard a sausage from the ESC which suprises me , so guys what could be an idea is to write to your local trading standards more pressure we put on them the sooner they will be banned
 
A little update guys, maths legend Johnny Flippin Ball has given the campaign his endorsement. I've contacted several well known people and their management teams today with the intention of getting endorsements so we can use them to raise awareness. Looks like it's working:)
As and when they get back to me I'm going to ask them to put links on their sites to the campaign website

you could try his daughter Zoe radio 2 DJ , then she does make me go week at the knee's luck fat boy slim
 
im still trying to see what she looks like without me dam glasses steaming up , oh forgot to say i have sent a message to Jeremy vine on radio 2 , not about Zoe but the socket covers :artist:
 
Just been E-Mailed by a guy in Sri Lanka, he wants to sign the petition but can’t.
Sri Lanka works to BS7671 and use BS1363 sockets so he’s spreading the word there.
 
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The rugby club lets out rooms to Creches and gues what - they have fitted the "safety plugs" I was not aware until today how dangerous this is ( even though I understand the principle of the original safety shutter design ) They will be removed tomorrow.

Great site!

Many thanks

Will
 
The rugby club lets out rooms to Creches and gues what - they have fitted the "safety plugs" I was not aware until today how dangerous this is ( even though I understand the principle of the original safety shutter design ) They will be removed tomorrow.

Great site!

Many thanks

Will
Did you sign the petition Will?
 
See what ive just found on the ESC website [h=2]Socket Blanking Plugs[/h]We don’t promote the use of socket blanking plugs as we don’t consider normal household sockets a serious risk to children.
These sockets have built in safety shutters to prevent access to the live parts inside. However, we understand that using these plugs may give parents and carers additional peace of mind. It’s your choice.
To view our policy statement click here
 
One of my activities over the weekend has been trawling for forums for other trades and professions Logging in to them and giving them the info about the campaign. Most have been very receptive and supportive, the nurses, doctors, solicitors, fire service and accountants have all pledged signatures. Tonight I found ukpoliceonline so away I went again, I apologise for invading their forum then proceed to tell them in an orderly manner. I left the window open and was looking now and again to see if there was any feedback, after 84 views the thread was deleted without any warning or explanation. Thanks policeman moderator...not
 
It seems this thread is gathering a lot of vital information for FF, which is a success in it's own. It may or may not be on FF's agenda but somebody with the time should put it together as a white paper as a colation of opinions and findings of the UK's electrical experts - and beyond.
 
Opera, Chrome (once i ticked check server for revocation) and IE9 seems that the Security Cert on there site has been revoked at the time of trying to post (gov page Sign the petition! link)

who knew them Plug covers are so dangerous
 
Have just signed and will make my work colleauges aware of this as well. Have just this second told a pregnant mum to be!
 
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