Approved tradesmen scheme

[LukeD]

Those things are exactly the same as not telling the council you did some work. Exactly the same, lol. Notifying is a giant hoax and people like you allow them to perpetuate it against hard working tradesmen. The only argument you can give for notifying being necessary is 'because they told us to'.

As if you told your mate about my comment too.

Ive said irt and many others also...Its a all a joke .The system is pathetic in this country

 

[DPG]

Ive said irt and many others also...Its a all a joke .The system is pathetic in this country

The electrical systems and regulations are much better in other countries of course. Ermm, right I can name you a lot of countries that are worse than our system. Or VERY worse.

 

[nicebutdim]

If electrics are done properly and tested properly i see zero reason to notify outside of 'because they tell us to.'

And if your granny had balls, she'd have been your grandad.

If people could be relied upon to do all manner of things properly, there'd be less argument in favour of regulation. People tinker with stuff they shouldn't. People drive cars in a dangerous condition, because the next MOT isn't due yet. Trades turn out rough work because they can get away with it.

 

[westward10]

Can we keep this friendly please or certain members will be removed from the thread.

 

[oscar21]

Wow, I think we're full on conspiracy theory here.

Obviously the conversation with 'my mate' was made up yes. It was a turn of phrase. Obviously.

You cant call him a conspiracy theorist and then say you made half of it up. He is of course right though, if you get work done and don't notify it zero will happen about it, no enforcement, nothing. thousands of notifiable building works go unchecked every single day from a replacement window to a full extension, the councils have neither the resources or the interest to follow any of them up.

The only reason part P is asked for so much is because the media propaganda has reported that you will be unable to sell your house if you haven't got all the required paperwork in order which includes electrical sign offs, the scammers have spent the budget on scare stories instead of actually improving the sector. This is of course rubbish, at least 40% of house buyers are cash buyers and they can buy whatever they want cert or no cert and as for the other 60%, well I'd be surprised if too many mortgage companies wer that arsed either,

 

[LukeD]

You cant call him a conspiracy theorist and then say you made half of it up. He is of course right though, if you get work done and don't notify it zero will happen about it, no enforcement, nothing. thousands of notifiable building works go unchecked every single day from a replacement window to a full extension, the councils have neither the resources or the interest to follow any of them up.

The only reason part P is asked for so much is because the media propaganda has reported that you will be unable to sell your house if you haven't got all the required paperwork in order which includes electrical sign offs, the scammers have spent the budget on scare stories instead of actually improving the sector. This is of course rubbish, at least 40% of house buyers are cash buyers and they can buy whatever they want cert or no cert and as for the other 60%, well I'd be surprised if too many mortgage companies wer that arsed either,

so right..... why bother to do anything legally now ? Its 8 ladies with a packet of biscuits running the floor at NEICIC and they DONT CARE ONE BIT

 

[oscar21]

so right..... why bother to do anything legally now ? Its 8 ladies with a packet of biscuits running the floor at NEICIC and they DONT CARE ONE BIT

If anyone doesn't care its the NICEY, that much is certainly true. Look, dont shoot the messenger, I'm only telling it how it is.

 

[rewireIT]

You cant call him a conspiracy theorist and then say you made half of it up. He is of course right though, if you get work done and don't notify it zero will happen about it, no enforcement, nothing. thousands of notifiable building works go unchecked every single day from a replacement window to a full extension, the councils have neither the resources or the interest to follow any of them up.

The only reason part P is asked for so much is because the media propaganda has reported that you will be unable to sell your house if you haven't got all the required paperwork in order which includes electrical sign offs, the scammers have spent the budget on scare stories instead of actually improving the sector. This is of course rubbish, at least 40% of house buyers are cash buyers and they can buy whatever they want cert or no cert and as for the other 60%, well I'd be surprised if too many mortgage companies wer that arsed either,

100% correct. My dad did his own electrics and when he sold his very expensive house to a mortgage buyer, all that happened was he had to pay for an EICR which of course passed with flying colours. Then the house was sold. Nobody is stopping people from buying multi hundred thousand pound assets and spending large sums on fees over the electrics.

 

[rewireIT]

so right..... why bother to do anything legally now ? Its 8 ladies with a packet of biscuits running the floor at NEICIC and they DONT CARE ONE BIT

Some laws are stupid and should be ignored because the level of harm done by ignoring them is zero. Especially when the repercussions are also zero. I'm sure you've always stuck to exactly 70 when on a large empty motorway at night in perfect conditions though.

The difference between people is that if they were to suddenly claim it was the law that everyone pays 99% tax, some would simply start working cash, the compliant slaves would complain about the 'tax dodgers' and the argument essentially boils down to 'well i have to be a slave, so they should be a slave too.'

 

[mattg4321]

To be fair, the more stringent entry requirements seem to have cut down on the total cowboys operating under a scheme name near me.

I think it’s more to do with the slowing flow of Eastern European sparks for various reasons and the retiring of many older sparks and not so many young coming through, but I’ve been able to put my rates up by nearly 100% over 5 years and I’m still winning nearly every quote.

 

[littlespark]

Councils can’t keep track of which buildings have RAAC in them, never mind keeping records of electrical work.


Current affairs…. Satire….. whooop!

 

[LukeD]

Currently dealing with local council about dodgy electricians and EICR's . You wont meet a more stupid bunch ever in most cases... no one cares . No wonder many of the dodgy ones seem to make a great living

 

[davesparks]

We used to regularly have threads on here complaining about how joining the NICEIC etc is too easy and they are letting anyone in.
Many posts would be calling for the NICEIC to toughen up their membership requirements and only allow fully qualified electricians to join.


And now here we have a thread complaining that they've done what we were asking for!

 

[HappyHippyDad]

That was my understanding, thanks.
The irony of course is that you only actually need them for domestic installation work.

(Unless you do PV, or want to spend your life arguing with landlords regarding PRS testing )

If I had a pound for every time I've wondered about not bothering....my issue is that if I leave I won't get back in as I only have 16th, 18th, 2391 and their own 7232 which at a particular moment in time was enough to be welcomed into the club.

I 'think' you have 2 years grace Tim. I.e if you did leave Napit, then as long as you reapply within 2 years they will take you back on, assuming the following...

"It is acceptable to permit new applications from an existing or previously recognised Qualified Supervisor, provided that they have been a Qualified Supervisor within two years of the application; and can provide a letter or similar evidence from the previous scheme provider confirming their Qualified Supervisor status and the scope of work previously assessed, which must be equal to the scope of work being applied for."

The above paragraph is taken from page 28 of the EAS Minimum requirements (attached).

You could try it for a year and see if you lose much work and then rejoin. Probably not worth the hassle though. I'd keep paying the painfully high £500+ and just grin and bear it. My plan is to stop being registered when I start slowing down (around age 55-60) and just do non notifiable work. Or, you could just 'do a Tel' and say balls to it.

 

[rewireIT]

To be fair, the more stringent entry requirements seem to have cut down on the total cowboys operating under a scheme name near me.

They just don't operate under the scheme anymore. All the cowboys who were allowed on before 2021 have lifetime access.

 

[Mike Johnson]

He needs to be able to notify work. Yes, he could do it himself, but then he would be paying big fees to the LA building control.

Surely the big fees are just passed onto the client?

 

[DPG]

Surely the big fees are just passed onto the client?

Well possibly so, but then his prices will be considerably higher than someone who is registered with a scheme. Depending on the council there could be over £300 to add to the customer's bill.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Hi, as I’m trying to grow my little business I keep coming across many obstacles namely trying to join a competent trade scheme. NAPIT seem to be the only one that suit my current situation.. has anyone any experience with these people as I’m finding it difficult to say the least! Or can anyone recommend an alternative. I don’t have my testing and inspecting ticket which rules my out of NICEIC!! I need something in place to get my work notified to council

What is the obstacle just the joining of a scheme? or are you loosing work because you are not part of a scheme? two totally different scenarios.

You can notify your work to the LA without being in a scheme, just pay the fee and as I said on the post above, pass the cost onto the client.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Well possibly so, but then his prices will be considerably higher than someone who is registered with a scheme. Depending on the council there could be over £300 to add to the customer's bill.

They can always operate like an Estate Agent and submit a price plus fees.

 

[rewireIT]

You can notify your work to the LA without being in a scheme, just pay the fee and as I said on the post above, pass the cost onto the client.

But that leaves you having to charge 700 quid to run in a cooker feed.