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Please checkout the new poll we will be pushing hard, and want some good stories to come out of this
result are public - you can change your vote over time, which might genuinely be the case from time to time.
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There's a reason they use GERS and don't compile all the figures on a region by region basis and use estimates.
For example- right now there are around £200 billion of UK infrastructure works in London and the South East of England as well as HS2 (which won't touch Scotland for 30 years) yet Scots are being invoiced for 10% of it as 'Scottish debt'
Its the same as the national audit office telling the UK government to allocate English tuition fees as debt which adds £2bn to the Scottish 'debt' figures yet Scotland receives little or NO benefit
That stopped in 1921.
See this article by John Jappy in Wings. also
The
There's a reason they use GERS and don't compile all the figures on a region by region basis and use estimates.
For example- right now there are around £200 billion of UK infrastructure works in London and the South East of England as well as HS2 (which won't touch Scotland for 30 years) yet Scots are being invoiced for 10% of it as 'Scottish debt'
NO infrastructure spending in Scotland is classed as UK debt- the M74 extension and the Queenferry crossing is paid for by the Scottish Government
Its the same as the national audit office telling the UK government to allocate English tuition fees as debt which adds £2bn to the Scottish 'debt' figures yet Scotland receives little or NO benefit
They stopped compiling separate stats in 1921.
See this article by John Jappy in Wings. also
I agree and see your point.
Up here we can have a different path and ditch the Westminster elite and SE England bias.
They are fleecing us all, with indy up here we can go on a different path.
You do realise that May's deal will be out voted, then there will 2 months of froth, ranting and bluster and Article 50 will be retracted at the 11th hour.
Forget 17.4 million voters, this is Britain, we always roll over for the minorities!
But don't worry, they will all fall in line tonight to protect their party, their jobs and the interests of their friends and backers.
Here lies the problem, there has not been 30yrs of anti-European rhetoric as you put it, there has been select events like joining the Euro etc than reached the public ear but not until the referendum did the public really get any idea how the EU effected the UK.
Your comment 'sensible people who voted Brexit will realise that they've been subject to a big con' ... give examples please and cite your reasoning, sweeping statements and accusation occur on both sides but one thing that has been realised is this 'Trade Group' which we joined and were promised became something else we never signed up to, the lies were very much been imposed on the EU member states while their powers and democratic rights were eroded, I can cite many instances where this can easily be shown and the EU's denial and ignorance or members democratic votes is historically documented, when you openly deny a member states democratic rights we call that a dictatorship.
Your last comment makes no sense - been part of an inclusive European community, we are leaving the EU not Europe, our place as a European country remains the same.
Agreed.
Geography dictates that we are part of Europe, not politics.
The only way we could separate from Europe would be to build a wall down the North Sea and Channel.
we get to make laws for the UK in the UK, not in sprout land
we get something like £350m per week saved which we can squander ourselves instead of some foreign snowflake projects that only benefit lawyers, MEPs and various other snouts in the EU money trough.
we have some say on who we let into the UK.
i could go on...........but I.m working on a project to close the channel tunnel.
We will no longer be in a ringfenced trade group, the negatives of been in this group are artificially high prices, lower quality and lower wages. When we organise new trade deals that will subject the EU to competition it cannot control which it does now, this will drive better deals for us and better quality products as a consequence.
Edit - I'll add that we can make our own laws to suit our own country and will not be subject to laws that benefit other nations at our cost just because we happen to be one of the biggest EU contributors.
1/ 350 million on big red bus
2/ We can't control our borders
3/ We can't make our own laws
4/ They need our trade more than we need theirs
5/ We can't stop Turkey jouning and there are 80 mllion Turks headng this way
6/ Our rebate can be taken from us against our will
7/ We can't stop a european army
8/ We are liable for eurozone bailouts in the future
9/ UK is always outvoted
10/ British sreel suffered because of the EU
There are others
Oh and this
Vote Leave fined and reported to police by Electoral Commission - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-fined-and-reported-to-police-by-electoral-commission-brexit
Also as 75% of fish landed in the UK goes to Europe there will be high tarrifs on these with a no deal Brexit.
Finally, don't think for one second that this goverment isn't capable of selling our fishermen and farmers down the road to protect their mates n the city.
What Domocratic Rights have been eroded?
What about the other way around though, millions of EU money invested into our education system, to promote EU ideology, Pro EU representatives making regular speeches at Universities and Colleges while Anti EU ideology is is both suppressed and denied when requested.
The EU has withdrawn party funding for Anti EU groups even though it has to be impartial to the funding of them.
The EU also has its fingers in the pie of our media like the BBC which is why they continue to give biased reporting with terms like crashing out when this has actually no meaning, the WTO is a deal in itself.
What about Soros the billionaire who is pumping millions into pro EU groups with the intentions to frustrate the democratic decision, Soros has direct links to Gina Millers Pro EU group she set up, although she has distanced herself from the group now it makes one wonder who payed her legal bills as she refused to divulge such info' when she contended parliament on a meaningful vote, luckily it has backfired because it blocked a deal that would have seen us tied into the customs union indefinitely and at the mercy of any laws they made without any tabled response.. guessing she didn't expect her interference would be the key to blocking a deal she would have been happy with.
What I am getting at is you respond with a daily rag which is clearly politically position and they do not deny it, what is worrying is all the millions pumped into pro EU projects and groups to sway the public opinion that are not clear and transparent.
Prior to the Brexit vote the EU were blocked from introducing pro EU literature into our junior schools as this was seen as an attempt to brainwash the new generation with the eventual goal of off realising the idea of a EU superstate (which they now have admitted) and preparing the future generation to be voting yes, the reason many of the students are Pro EU nowadays is because many further education systems are swamped with teachers who are pro EU and if you just look around many of the universities it won't take long before you spot pro EU propaganda... you see not just in these institutes but everywhere, the union jack everyday replaced by the EU flag on millions of registration plates across the country, it is subtle attempts like this that are forced onto us that slowly to subconsciously sway our opinion, the exact same reason business spend millions on advertising because it has a subconscious influence, this in the long term helps suppress Anti EU opinion.
Unfortunately public opinion changed for many reasons and this opened the whole EU can of worms and people started to realise just exactly what the EU is and why we would be better of out of it, we are not alone, the rise of Anti EU attitudes is flooding Europe and this is not because of lies and propaganda, it is because the EU has been dictating to countries and ignoring their democratic decisions.
What this ignores is the fact remain were also found to be fiddling the numbers and neither these come anywhere close to the governments 10million pumped into a pro EU leaflet campaign using tax payers money days before the official campaign with spending cap started.
I will also add that the BBC covered the remain accusation and fine in a 30second story on one day, it stayed on the brexit campaign story for a week and they say they are impartial.
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Is it a bad law?
We used to have a law requiring us to put a GB sticker on the back of our cars if we drove abroad.
The EU brought in a law saying the GB could be on the number plate instead.
Now it’s propaganda?
Hilarious from yesterdays no confidence debate.
Labour supporters look away now...
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Definition of a Scots gentleman ; someone who can play the bagpipes but doesn't
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The Brexit is a UK act of self harm.
Before the vote the First Minister proposed that a double lock be in place- a majority of the UK countries must vote OUT for brexit to happen, that was shot down.
Had this been in place we would have stayed as both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted IN.
Most of the scare stories the 'Bitter Together' lot are now reversed, things such as
Before the vote the First Minister proposed that a double lock be in place- a majority of the UK countries must vote OUT for brexit to happen, that was shot down.
Had this been in place we would have stayed as both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted IN.
Most of the scare stories the 'Bitter Together' lot are now reversed, things such as
- All the banks will leave (many will now go to Scotland if we are in the EU and the former UK [fUK] is out)
- Companies (especially service ones) will leave and come to Scotland
- Scotland can attract more investment than ever before as part of the EU
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They used to say that to Eire, Malta, USA ...
There's a reason they use GERS and don't compile all the figures on a region by region basis and use estimates.
For example- right now there are around £200 billion of UK infrastructure works in London and the South East of England as well as HS2 (which won't touch Scotland for 30 years) yet Scots are being invoiced for 10% of it as 'Scottish debt'
Its the same as the national audit office telling the UK government to allocate English tuition fees as debt which adds £2bn to the Scottish 'debt' figures yet Scotland receives little or NO benefit
That stopped in 1921.
See this article by John Jappy in Wings. also
The
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They used to say that to Eire, Malta, USA ...
There's a reason they use GERS and don't compile all the figures on a region by region basis and use estimates.
For example- right now there are around £200 billion of UK infrastructure works in London and the South East of England as well as HS2 (which won't touch Scotland for 30 years) yet Scots are being invoiced for 10% of it as 'Scottish debt'
NO infrastructure spending in Scotland is classed as UK debt- the M74 extension and the Queenferry crossing is paid for by the Scottish Government
Its the same as the national audit office telling the UK government to allocate English tuition fees as debt which adds £2bn to the Scottish 'debt' figures yet Scotland receives little or NO benefit
They stopped compiling separate stats in 1921.
See this article by John Jappy in Wings. also
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I agree and see your point.
Up here we can have a different path and ditch the Westminster elite and SE England bias.
They are fleecing us all, with indy up here we can go on a different path.
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This deal or no deal is hurting my head. I voted to leave, a deal is a nice to have but not what i expected or demanded so here is a petition.
Petition: Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019. - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963
Petition: Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019. - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963
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nice one mate. signed it just. don't forget lads, click the email link they send.
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At the rate it is climbing, could be the biggest petition they have ever had, lol
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You do realise that May's deal will be out voted, then there will 2 months of froth, ranting and bluster and Article 50 will be retracted at the 11th hour.
Forget 17.4 million voters, this is Britain, we always roll over for the minorities!
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I expect this deal to be voted down, all going well the Westminster government will fall and there will be a general election.
Corbyn will get in (without a majority), what the polls forget is that Labour (south of the border anyway) have a decent party machine to get out the vote.
He will then lost the youth vote by not stopping brexit and more chaos will follow
In this chaos the SNP will have an independence referendum top of their manifesto and it will be hard to refuse the vote then.
Corbyn will get in (without a majority), what the polls forget is that Labour (south of the border anyway) have a decent party machine to get out the vote.
He will then lost the youth vote by not stopping brexit and more chaos will follow
In this chaos the SNP will have an independence referendum top of their manifesto and it will be hard to refuse the vote then.
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I personally think the English should have a vote on kicking Scotland out of the uk!
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What have the Scots ever done for us?
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Camoron slinked off when the English voted to leave the eu, now terrorist may has made a complete bollox of the brexit deal. Time for the English to prepare for us to walk away with no deal. Personally I voted to leave and have always expected to walk away with no deal. Hopefully Corbyn is allowed a general election and voted in as our prime minister to take charge of the complete joke the conservatives have created
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Another petition for NO Delay to article 50
Petition: Brexit re article 50 it must not be suspended/stopped under any circumstances - https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/53579420/signed
Petition: Brexit re article 50 it must not be suspended/stopped under any circumstances - https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/53579420/signed
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People’s Vote Please. 30 years of anti European rhetoric in the press have tainted people’s views and the sensible people who voted Brexit will now realise that they’ve been subject to a big con 
Rule Britannia part of an inclusive European community.
Rule Britannia part of an inclusive European community.
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The only fight happening is the Tories fighting amoungst themselves.
But don't worry, they will all fall in line tonight to protect their party, their jobs and the interests of their friends and backers.
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Heaven forbid we get a goverment working for the benifit of ordinary people Pete. Far better having self serving elites working on behalf of themsleves and the rich.
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People’s Vote Please. 30 years of anti European rhetoric in the press have tainted people’s views and the sensible people who voted Brexit will now realise that they’ve been subject to a big con
Here lies the problem, there has not been 30yrs of anti-European rhetoric as you put it, there has been select events like joining the Euro etc than reached the public ear but not until the referendum did the public really get any idea how the EU effected the UK.
Your comment 'sensible people who voted Brexit will realise that they've been subject to a big con' ... give examples please and cite your reasoning, sweeping statements and accusation occur on both sides but one thing that has been realised is this 'Trade Group' which we joined and were promised became something else we never signed up to, the lies were very much been imposed on the EU member states while their powers and democratic rights were eroded, I can cite many instances where this can easily be shown and the EU's denial and ignorance or members democratic votes is historically documented, when you openly deny a member states democratic rights we call that a dictatorship.
Your last comment makes no sense - been part of an inclusive European community, we are leaving the EU not Europe, our place as a European country remains the same.
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Agreed.
Geography dictates that we are part of Europe, not politics.
The only way we could separate from Europe would be to build a wall down the North Sea and Channel.
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Don’t actually see what we’ll gain by leaving the EU.
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we get out fishing grounds back from the frogs and the dons.
we get to make laws for the UK in the UK, not in sprout land
we get something like £350m per week saved which we can squander ourselves instead of some foreign snowflake projects that only benefit lawyers, MEPs and various other snouts in the EU money trough.
we have some say on who we let into the UK.
i could go on...........but I.m working on a project to close the channel tunnel.
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Adding on to Tels list and not repeating them, at present this so called FREE trade deal is far from it, we are subject to heavy tariffs on things like food, clothing and footwear etc, these are essential items so it is a burden on the poor, when we leave we can arrange free trade deals with other nations and reduce these costs dramatically which will benefit the poorest in society.
We will no longer be in a ringfenced trade group, the negatives of been in this group are artificially high prices, lower quality and lower wages. When we organise new trade deals that will subject the EU to competition it cannot control which it does now, this will drive better deals for us and better quality products as a consequence.
Edit - I'll add that we can make our own laws to suit our own country and will not be subject to laws that benefit other nations at our cost just because we happen to be one of the biggest EU contributors.
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1/ 350 million on big red bus
2/ We can't control our borders
3/ We can't make our own laws
4/ They need our trade more than we need theirs
5/ We can't stop Turkey jouning and there are 80 mllion Turks headng this way
6/ Our rebate can be taken from us against our will
7/ We can't stop a european army
8/ We are liable for eurozone bailouts in the future
9/ UK is always outvoted
10/ British sreel suffered because of the EU
There are others
Oh and this
Vote Leave fined and reported to police by Electoral Commission - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-fined-and-reported-to-police-by-electoral-commission-brexit
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Maybe, but it also means that our fisherman loose access to their fishing grounds.
Also as 75% of fish landed in the UK goes to Europe there will be high tarrifs on these with a no deal Brexit.
Finally, don't think for one second that this goverment isn't capable of selling our fishermen and farmers down the road to protect their mates n the city.
What laws are these?
You still belive this?
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Clear documented correlation recorded showing public opinion of EU decreases when anti EU articles published in right wing press like a Daily Mail.
What Domocratic Rights have been eroded?
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What about the other way around though, millions of EU money invested into our education system, to promote EU ideology, Pro EU representatives making regular speeches at Universities and Colleges while Anti EU ideology is is both suppressed and denied when requested.
The EU has withdrawn party funding for Anti EU groups even though it has to be impartial to the funding of them.
The EU also has its fingers in the pie of our media like the BBC which is why they continue to give biased reporting with terms like crashing out when this has actually no meaning, the WTO is a deal in itself.
What about Soros the billionaire who is pumping millions into pro EU groups with the intentions to frustrate the democratic decision, Soros has direct links to Gina Millers Pro EU group she set up, although she has distanced herself from the group now it makes one wonder who payed her legal bills as she refused to divulge such info' when she contended parliament on a meaningful vote, luckily it has backfired because it blocked a deal that would have seen us tied into the customs union indefinitely and at the mercy of any laws they made without any tabled response.. guessing she didn't expect her interference would be the key to blocking a deal she would have been happy with.
What I am getting at is you respond with a daily rag which is clearly politically position and they do not deny it, what is worrying is all the millions pumped into pro EU projects and groups to sway the public opinion that are not clear and transparent.
Prior to the Brexit vote the EU were blocked from introducing pro EU literature into our junior schools as this was seen as an attempt to brainwash the new generation with the eventual goal of off realising the idea of a EU superstate (which they now have admitted) and preparing the future generation to be voting yes, the reason many of the students are Pro EU nowadays is because many further education systems are swamped with teachers who are pro EU and if you just look around many of the universities it won't take long before you spot pro EU propaganda... you see not just in these institutes but everywhere, the union jack everyday replaced by the EU flag on millions of registration plates across the country, it is subtle attempts like this that are forced onto us that slowly to subconsciously sway our opinion, the exact same reason business spend millions on advertising because it has a subconscious influence, this in the long term helps suppress Anti EU opinion.
Unfortunately public opinion changed for many reasons and this opened the whole EU can of worms and people started to realise just exactly what the EU is and why we would be better of out of it, we are not alone, the rise of Anti EU attitudes is flooding Europe and this is not because of lies and propaganda, it is because the EU has been dictating to countries and ignoring their democratic decisions.
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What this ignores is the fact remain were also found to be fiddling the numbers and neither these come anywhere close to the governments 10million pumped into a pro EU leaflet campaign using tax payers money days before the official campaign with spending cap started.
I will also add that the BBC covered the remain accusation and fine in a 30second story on one day, it stayed on the brexit campaign story for a week and they say they are impartial.
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Far as I am aware, we have the right to opt out of any laws we don’t like.
The £350 mil doesn’t take account of the rebate we get.
The EU flag on the No. plates is a choice, which allows us not to have to put a sticker on the back of our cars when we drive in Europe.
Other choices include flag of St. George, Saltire, Welsh Dragon, even the NI flag.
Not sure about the shoes, as I mostly wear safety boots, motorcycle boots or plain trainers.
The £350 mil doesn’t take account of the rebate we get.
The EU flag on the No. plates is a choice, which allows us not to have to put a sticker on the back of our cars when we drive in Europe.
Other choices include flag of St. George, Saltire, Welsh Dragon, even the NI flag.
Not sure about the shoes, as I mostly wear safety boots, motorcycle boots or plain trainers.
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Regarding the Flag, originally the EU put it in legislation that all EU members number plates need to carry the EU flag this was contended at a later date and they allowed a change in law that you can opt out of this but you need to show your country of origin with a sticker.
My point wasn't about it been law or choice, its the fact 99% of vehicles will have the EU flag on and the letters representing the country, I was discussing subconscious influence like advertising does, we are passed by thousands of EU flag symbols on a daily basis was my point.
Regarding the Flag, originally the EU put it in legislation that all EU members number plates need to carry the EU flag this was contended at a later date and they allowed a change in law that you can opt out of this but you need to show your country of origin with a sticker.
My point wasn't about it been law or choice, its the fact 99% of vehicles will have the EU flag on and the letters representing the country, I was discussing subconscious influence like advertising does, we are passed by thousands of EU flag symbols on a daily basis was my point.
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That’s one of my points proved, we can opt out of laws we don’t like.
Is it a bad law?
We used to have a law requiring us to put a GB sticker on the back of our cars if we drove abroad.
The EU brought in a law saying the GB could be on the number plate instead.
Now it’s propaganda?
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I never said we couldn't use our own options, it was actually one of the few times we got something agreed but this is water off a ducks back to them, as long as it doesn't interfere with their end goal they can be flexible, my argument is the direction they have been and are heading that has turned a simple trade deal into a ambition to become a superstate, it is laws and legislation that move to that goal that often conflicts with us and either sees powers removed or costs incurred and no way to circumvent them or change them.
Take the farming industry, many of the laws the UK has to abide to are brought in to aid other EU nations and end up costing us, there is now so much red tap around agriculture that many of our industries have been forced into the negative and cannot realistically ever turn a profit hence the rebates come in, when we leave we can remove alot of this, still be compliant to sell into the EU and crucially boost and deregulate our farming industry.
Just look up how bad for the UK the common agriculture policy is, I even see remainers say that is one big positive if we do leave that we can get out of that mess of a system that just doesn't work for the UK.
I never said we couldn't use our own options, it was actually one of the few times we got something agreed but this is water off a ducks back to them, as long as it doesn't interfere with their end goal they can be flexible, my argument is the direction they have been and are heading that has turned a simple trade deal into a ambition to become a superstate, it is laws and legislation that move to that goal that often conflicts with us and either sees powers removed or costs incurred and no way to circumvent them or change them.
Take the farming industry, many of the laws the UK has to abide to are brought in to aid other EU nations and end up costing us, there is now so much red tap around agriculture that many of our industries have been forced into the negative and cannot realistically ever turn a profit hence the rebates come in, when we leave we can remove alot of this, still be compliant to sell into the EU and crucially boost and deregulate our farming industry.
Just look up how bad for the UK the common agriculture policy is, I even see remainers say that is one big positive if we do leave that we can get out of that mess of a system that just doesn't work for the UK.
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See, this is what I don’t understand.
If the agricultural policy doesn’t work for us, why hasn’t our government opted out from it?
If the agricultural policy doesn’t work for us, why hasn’t our government opted out from it?
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A bit like Aron Banks leave funding to the leave campaign and all the Russian money etc. If we leave we’ll become an off shore tax haven for the mega rich and Criminals. They won’t give a stuff about industry and manufacturing. Funny how EU is about to introduce stricter tax laws on the mega rich. Still I suppose we can just exist like all those successful British money laundering out posts like, Malta, Cyprus, Gibraltar, Cayman Islands etc that hide all the money that the Essex boys had accumulated from the boiler room scams perpetrated on your parents and grand parents. Strange times. Perhaps we’re all falling for a devisive bigger plan! Certainly in this modern age of media saturation our ‘democratic’ system seems pretty vulnerable. Who knows what ‘f&*k’ is going on!
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The EU has been threatening tougher tax laws for decades, so has the UK, no government has ever done it because at the end of the day the financial sector runs the country, the politics are merely a tool to appease the people, the most you will get is a visual theatre game but the loopholes are never closed, if anyone wanted to they could close the loopholes tomorrow but here we are still seeing people manipulating the tax system and its loopholes, the fact is these major corporates lobby the EU probably costing them millions to do so but the changes in laws and finance they successfully lobby for probably will see a 5 - 10 fold return and all we see is a cover law that costs them a fraction but has the public believing there voices are heard, it is only the small businesses that are crucified if they make an error or cheat the taxman as they have no way to afford the legal representation needed to get away with it.
Personally I don't see what this has to do with Brexit, the EU may introduce new tax laws but it will not stop those at the top dodging their taxes somehow, if we force them they we simply move to other shores and we not only lose economical input but many thousands of jobs to boot.
This comment about the UK becoming a tax haven is nothing to do with a real tax haven, it was Corbyns attempt to get support by making people believe the UK would become one when in fact we will be arranging low to free trade deals, lower corporation tax to attract new business, this is not a tax haven, this is competitive trading and economical strategy, we are only a tax haven if we let companies with no business ties use our country as a false base for there company.
Personally I don't see what this has to do with Brexit, the EU may introduce new tax laws but it will not stop those at the top dodging their taxes somehow, if we force them they we simply move to other shores and we not only lose economical input but many thousands of jobs to boot.
This comment about the UK becoming a tax haven is nothing to do with a real tax haven, it was Corbyns attempt to get support by making people believe the UK would become one when in fact we will be arranging low to free trade deals, lower corporation tax to attract new business, this is not a tax haven, this is competitive trading and economical strategy, we are only a tax haven if we let companies with no business ties use our country as a false base for there company.
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Hilarious from yesterdays no confidence debate.
Labour supporters look away now...
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see the bit that confuses me is, why is the EU obsessed with a hard boner ?
I guess its imperative though
if they are to continue shafting us
I guess its imperative though
if they are to continue shafting us
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Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into
Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.
OUT OF EUROPE we need to be out of it
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into
Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.
OUT OF EUROPE we need to be out of it
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Yep, exactly thats why Germany is SSSSOOOO pro EU, it means they can invest all their excess euros in another country and make even more money. Its not just UK manufacturing that has suffered, German, French, Italian and even Spain have suffered, no wonder the peasants are revolting in these countries, they are being ripped off by THE MAN, in the shape of Global Multinational Companies
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