Could I ask if you could help explain the comments re a Domestic ElCR report that has come back unsatisfactory please

[DefyG]

As I know that whoever does the work has to then issue the certificate and do the EICR again so it can be deemed as satisfactory.

No, a minor works certificate to cover the aspect of the C2 would be adequate. Shouldnt need to do the EICR (and charge you) again!

If existing tenant, you do not need to produce an EICR until April next year.

I would certainly get another sparky to quote!

 

[radiohead]

3. 8.4 Absence of supplementary bonding where required in a location containing a bath or shower, where all final circuits of the location comply with the requirements of Regulation 4.11 3.2 for automatic disconnection and all final circuits of the location have additional protection by means of a 30mA RCD and all extraneous-conductive parts of the loca C2 (Bathroom)

I'm confused by item 3. Maybe I'm missing something?
If there is additional protection by means of 30ma RCD, and the other requirements are met, then SB is not required.
If there is no additional protection by means of 30ma RCD then why hasn't that been coded? It is a non -compliance regardless of the presence or not of SB.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I'm confused by item 3. Maybe I'm missing something?
If there is additional protection by means of 30ma RCD, and the other requirements are met, then SB is not required.
If there is no additional protection by means of 30ma RCD then why hasn't that been coded? it is a non -compliance.

the idea is rcd protection not there covering the bathroom then any thing will require bonding a protentional where mrs gibbons decides to change a bulb or fitting standing in the sink and foot touching the taps .

 

[Pete999]

Dear Pete,

My Flat that has failed is in Waltham Abbey, Essex. I thank you for your offer and kindness. But am initially going to contact the Engineer inspector who did the inspection to see if he is willing to quote to sort the Bathroom bonding out as a lot of the lovely people on here have suggested.

As I know that whoever does the work has to then issue the certificate and do the EICR again so it can be deemed as satisfactory.

From what all you lovely people are saying is that even though the flat has a tenant that I do not legally have to do the C3 work as it is not life threating at the moment it is just rules and ideas have changed and been made into codes.

That is a big weight off of my mind. Thank you for your offer, if however the person does not come back to me I may be back to ask for next step and see if there are any registered sparkies near me. Thank you again.
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Just wanted to say thank you to you all for your replies. It has certatinly put me in a more calmer state.

I take on board your comments and will go back to the person/company who did the inspection to ask for a guide on availability and price to resolve the C2 aspect so that I can have a certificate that says satisfactory and I know my Tenant is safe.

I really appreciate you guidance everyone thank you so much, I honestly thought I was in for a rough road. It does not seem at all that bad now you have explained it to me in language that I can comprehend, Thank you :0)

OK Kirstie thanks, hope you get it sorted.

 

[Risteard]

This should remove the need for circuits in the bathroom requiring additional rcd protection.

Just for clarity it won't remove the requirement for them to have additional protection by a 30mA RCD, although it is likely to leave it in a satisfactory condition. (Possible exceptions might be the likes of an electric shower not 30mA RCD protected.)

 

[magnoliafan89]

Who on earth tells someone that as it has c2s this will also mean the c3s need doing by law also???
Supp. Bonding being added is as someone else said an hours work at best.

 

[Strima]

Kirstie, if possible could you post up the report so we can take a look?

It would need to have any names, addresses, company details etc blanked out.

C3 means improvement is recommended but would still result in a satisfactory report if no C2 or C1 conditions exist, therefore these don't technically need sorting. To state they have to be put right by law is nonsense and scaremongering.

C2 means potentially dangerous and will need rectifying.

C1 means danger present and will need rectifying.

The problem with the recent changes is a lot of companies are jumping on the band wagon and quoting ridiculously low prices to carry out testing. They will then give an unsatisfactory report to make money on the remedial works. Morally corrupt.

Even if the inspector rectifies all the faults the report will remain unsatisfactory. Any certificates for the rectification works would then show that the work has been completed, there is no requirement to issue a new report.

In five years time the next inspector would look at old reports and certificates to see what faults were present and if they were rectified. They would also be able to tell if any dangerous conditions have reoccurred through trends, such as shower switches overheating for example. If all they see is satisfactory reports over the years then the installation must be perfect and nothing ever goes wrong.

I would advise speaking to your retired electrician as they must know a trusted trader in your area.

 

[radiohead]

the idea is rcd protection not there covering the bathroom then any thing will require bonding a protentional where mrs gibbons decides to change a bulb or fitting standing in the sink and foot touching the taps .

RCD protection is required to all final circuits in a bathroom, the fact that SB is or is not installed is irrelevant, it still requires additional protection and if that is not present it should have been coded.

If additional protection is present then SB is unlikely to be required.
If additional protection is not present then that should have been coded.

As I read it the report recommends the installation of SB, so presumably additional protection is not present. Even if SB is installed lack of additional protection should still get a code 3, and the report apparently says it is a legal requirement to rectify code 3's!

The correct way to rectify this based on the report recommendations is not to install SB, but to provide additional protection to bathroom final circuits.

Item 3 in the report does not make any sense.

 

[davesparks]

C3 means improvement is recommended but would still result in a satisfactory report if no C2 or C1 conditions exist,

Can, not will. A report with only C3 items can be given an overall assessment of satisfactory, but nothing prevents it being given an overall assessment of unsatisfactory.

 

[Timbo]

Boy, oh boy.

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Interesting read. Put the wind up a lot of people, that.