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Well I never, lol
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Nothing wrong with that at all, far better than most that I see, my only suggestion would be to fit a small piece of brown sleeving on the grey and black permanent & switched lives- and fit it close to the terminations.
That my dear is a bloody good question... if I ever bump into the plumber who created the original abomination I'll ask him
To be fair, they are probably in the floor void with all the other rubbish and rubble he created and chucked in there (much to the annoyance of the householder).
I did add some brown sleeving, but it fell about when I was cable wrangling, but it is there (at both ends of the cables)
Annoys me when people just dump stuff in floor voids and wherever. All you've got to do is have a box or a bag to stick the rubbish in as you're going.
If you ever meet him, just remember: Choking the life out of him is just a tad illegal
Ah sorry ! I was operating minus my reading glasses, always a gamble.
Only if he turns blue and dies... if I keep a check on his pulse and release a little when his pulse gets weak I should be alright
Most definitely, just last week I went to connect up a 'dual fuel' towel rail among other jobs where I'd put the box for the flex outlet plate in with care to just have a nice short loop of flex, and positioned this on the left to be further away from a shower cubicle. So guess which way round the cretin fitted the towel rail element side ?
Rear ended in Penarth. I'll be avoiding that place for sure
They look pretty neat, good tip. Thanks
In terms of terminal usage, it's wired in accordance with the boiler manufacturers instructions with slight modifications as the programmer serves the stat/programming function so the separate stats have just been taken out. I marked up the diagram in the boiler instruction manual so there is a written record, but those boxes look neat.
If he turns blue, simply put a brown sleeve on him and tell everyone he's live ( honest gov)
It looks like the two oranges are separate, that's a tad unusual?
How did you get over the lack of cord grips?
I was originally going to have them feed a single demand connection, but the boiler is pretty clever, has a nice LCD on the front with a fancy menu driven control system. It has two demand inputs central heating and hot water, so I used the two. The boiler LCD then tells the customer what is demanding heat.
As for the cord grips, just clipped the cables very well after ascertaining what was going to be happening to that area of the house. Currently it's open but it is going to be boxed in. It's in a corner of a room. Opposite the wiring centre is a big hot water store and there are numerous pipes and things between the wall and that store. It's all going to be boxed in.
Not ideal I know, but I wasn't going there to rewire the thing, just to connect a wireless thermostat. Had I been to see the job before hand and known it was that bad I would have picked up a new wiring centre. It's an item that is going on my stock list
If it's being boxed in, and that's your reasoning for not needing to provide strain relief, then presumably it will be inaccessible and therefore should be MF?
But if it is accessible then it surely needs better strain relief than nail clips into plasterboard?
I'd be interested to see you type a decent reply to somebody one day but hey the world's not perfect eh.
She has carried out a repair which is miles better than how it started. Marked up and tested the system.
Let's not get overly picky cause there is minus a few p clips and firmer fixings!!
There's people on this thread complaining about a few bits of insulation left in a loft next to a joint box, yet I am being overly picky for pointing out things which do not comply with the regulations?
Yes that would be me, but no point in quoting things out of context Dave, that wasn't a complaint but more of an observation, a little example of a lack of being thorough which I tend to see quite often,nothing more. Do you leave discarded insulation in loft spaces , maybe you do because nothing in BS7671 forbids it ? I'm just saying that there's a lot more to being a really good electrician than merely complying with the regs, and the way you interact with people and treat them can go a long way.
I've accidentally left all sorts of things in lofts and similar voids, but no I don't intentionally leave rubbish laying around.
Yes there is more to the job than complying with regulations, but there certainly is not less than complying with the regulations.
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Not sure why these two items need retesting next month...
...seeing as though they are just a couple of cable tidies laying on the floor next to a data rack!!
There was another 5 or 6 in the rack that had been tested too!!
(unique numbers edited out due to OCD)
Gaz
...seeing as though they are just a couple of cable tidies laying on the floor next to a data rack!!
There was another 5 or 6 in the rack that had been tested too!!
(unique numbers edited out due to OCD)
Gaz
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Now I have seen patch panels, telephones all types of elv stuff but that a first for cable tidys , brilliant , I'd love to see how they are listed on the report .Not sure why these two items need retesting next month...
...seeing as though they are just a couple of cable tidies laying on the floor next to a data rack!!
There was another 5 or 6 in the rack that had been tested too!!
(unique numbers edited out due to OCD)
Gaz
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So, I've just started doing some work for a local plumbing firm. Got a call this morning "can you come and install a wireless thermostat". Yeah no problem I think. Get to the site and apparently this system is fully installed and working.
This was what I found in the wiring center.
On the basis of that fine piece of work, I decided to dig a little deeper.
The full list of faults went like this:-
Not bad for my third attempt at central heating wiring if I do say so myself. Still room for improvement, but it all works as it should through a wireless programmer and a pair of wireless thermostats (one remote for the cylinder and one for a room). And I got a decent Zs at the boiler, so it's a winner
This was what I found in the wiring center.
On the basis of that fine piece of work, I decided to dig a little deeper.
The full list of faults went like this:-
- No earth from the FCU supplying the heating
- Existing wireless thermostat was not connected - Cables were twisted together behind it's mounting socket... bare, no tape
- No demand connections to the boiler only the power supply - The demand control link was still in place so this thing has been running since it was turned on maintaining the temperature of the bypass loop
Not bad for my third attempt at central heating wiring if I do say so myself. Still room for improvement, but it all works as it should through a wireless programmer and a pair of wireless thermostats (one remote for the cylinder and one for a room). And I got a decent Zs at the boiler, so it's a winner
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So, I've just started doing some work for a local plumbing firm. Got a call this morning "can you come and install a wireless thermostat". Yeah no problem I think. Get to the site and apparently this system is fully installed and working.
This was what I found in the wiring center.
View attachment 36850
On the basis of that fine piece of work, I decided to dig a little deeper.
The full list of faults went like this:-
I don't do a lot of heating wiring, but I can follow a wiring diagram.
- No earth from the FCU supplying the heating
- Existing wireless thermostat was not connected - Cables were twisted together behind it's mounting socket... bare, no tape
- No demand connections to the boiler only the power supply - The demand control link was still in place so this thing has been running since it was turned on maintaining the temperature of the bypass loop
View attachment 36851
Not bad for my third attempt at central heating wiring if I do say so myself. Still room for improvement, but it all works as it should through a wireless programmer and a pair of wireless thermostats (one remote for the cylinder and one for a room). And I got a decent Zs at the boiler, so it's a winner
Nothing wrong with that at all, far better than most that I see, my only suggestion would be to fit a small piece of brown sleeving on the grey and black permanent & switched lives- and fit it close to the terminations.
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S
Specialist
Nice one SC, much neater.
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That my dear is a bloody good question... if I ever bump into the plumber who created the original abomination I'll ask him
To be fair, they are probably in the floor void with all the other rubbish and rubble he created and chucked in there (much to the annoyance of the householder).
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Nothing wrong with that at all, far better than most that I see, my only suggestion would be to fit a small piece of brown sleeving on the grey and black permanent & switched lives- and fit it close to the terminations.
I did add some brown sleeving, but it fell about when I was cable wrangling, but it is there (at both ends of the cables)
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That my dear is a bloody good question... if I ever bump into the plumber who created the original abomination I'll ask him
To be fair, they are probably in the floor void with all the other rubbish and rubble he created and chucked in there (much to the annoyance of the householder).
Annoys me when people just dump stuff in floor voids and wherever. All you've got to do is have a box or a bag to stick the rubbish in as you're going.
S
Specialist
That my dear is a bloody good question... if I ever bump into the plumber who created the original abomination I'll ask him
To be fair, they are probably in the floor void with all the other rubbish and rubble he created and chucked in there (much to the annoyance of the householder).
If you ever meet him, just remember: Choking the life out of him is just a tad illegal
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Thanks chaps
To be brutally honest, it scared the carp out of me when I got there and saw it. From now on I don't think I'll be quite so intimidated by central heating wiring.
Bit of a mixed bag today though, had my first *BANG*. Replacing a light fitting for a landlord customer in one of her rentals, connected up, Zs was sweet, attached to ceiling, put the lights in and turn it on *BANG*. Looks like sharp edges cut into the poxy little cables running to the fittings. Suffice to say a ceiling rose is going up next week before I do an EICR on the place (no reason to do one other than she's not had one done on that property so she wants to get her paperwork in order).
And to top it off, I got rear ended in traffic crossing the bridge into Penarth on the way to this heating job, so a really mixed bag
To be brutally honest, it scared the carp out of me when I got there and saw it. From now on I don't think I'll be quite so intimidated by central heating wiring.
Bit of a mixed bag today though, had my first *BANG*. Replacing a light fitting for a landlord customer in one of her rentals, connected up, Zs was sweet, attached to ceiling, put the lights in and turn it on *BANG*. Looks like sharp edges cut into the poxy little cables running to the fittings. Suffice to say a ceiling rose is going up next week before I do an EICR on the place (no reason to do one other than she's not had one done on that property so she wants to get her paperwork in order).
And to top it off, I got rear ended in traffic crossing the bridge into Penarth on the way to this heating job, so a really mixed bag
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I did add some brown sleeving, but it fell about when I was cable wrangling, but it is there (at both ends of the cables)
Ah sorry ! I was operating minus my reading glasses, always a gamble.
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If you ever meet him, just remember: Choking the life out of him is just a tad illegal
Only if he turns blue and dies... if I keep a check on his pulse and release a little when his pulse gets weak I should be alright
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Most definitely, just last week I went to connect up a 'dual fuel' towel rail among other jobs where I'd put the box for the flex outlet plate in with care to just have a nice short loop of flex, and positioned this on the left to be further away from a shower cubicle. So guess which way round the cretin fitted the towel rail element side ?
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Thanks chaps
To be brutally honest, it scared the carp out of me when I got there and saw it. From now on I don't think I'll be quite so intimidated by central heating wiring.
Bit of a mixed bag today though, had my first *BANG*. Replacing a light fitting for a landlord customer in one of her rentals, connected up, Zs was sweet, attached to ceiling, put the lights in and turn it on *BANG*. Looks like sharp edges cut into the poxy little cables running to the fittings. Suffice to say a ceiling rose is going up next week before I do an EICR on the place (no reason to do one other than she's not had one done on that property so she wants to get her paperwork in order).
And to top it off, I got rear ended in traffic crossing the bridge into Penarth on the way to this heating job, so a really mixed bag
Rear ended in Penarth. I'll be avoiding that place for sure
Leesparkykent
Esteemed
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Nice neat job @SparkyChick...these are handy to keep in the van for heating wiring. They have tabs so you can loop thin cable ties through for strain relief and use leaver wagos so you don't have to ferrule the flex. If you want to be really thorough you could number the wagos and list what they are doing on the bit of lined paper provided in the lid to make an easy job for someone who works on the system next Buy Hager White Junction Box without Terminals J701 at The Electrical Guys - https://www.electricalguys.co.uk/hager-white-junction-box-without-terminals-j701.html?utm_source=google_shopping&m=Abstract&gclid=CN-_0YHMwNQCFRM6GwodVnoLTA
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Nice neat job @SparkyChick...these are handy to keep in the van for heating wiring. They have tabs so you can loop thin cable ties through for strain relief and use leaver wagos so you don't have to ferrule the flex. If you want to be really thorough you could number the wagos and list what they are doing on the bit of lined paper provided in the lid to make an easy job for someone who works on the system next
They look pretty neat, good tip. Thanks
In terms of terminal usage, it's wired in accordance with the boiler manufacturers instructions with slight modifications as the programmer serves the stat/programming function so the separate stats have just been taken out. I marked up the diagram in the boiler instruction manual so there is a written record, but those boxes look neat.
Paul228
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Only if he turns blue and dies... if I keep a check on his pulse and release a little when his pulse gets weak I should be alright
If he turns blue, simply put a brown sleeve on him and tell everyone he's live ( honest gov)
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So, I've just started doing some work for a local plumbing firm. Got a call this morning "can you come and install a wireless thermostat". Yeah no problem I think. Get to the site and apparently this system is fully installed and working.
This was what I found in the wiring center.
View attachment 36850
On the basis of that fine piece of work, I decided to dig a little deeper.
The full list of faults went like this:-
I don't do a lot of heating wiring, but I can follow a wiring diagram.
- No earth from the FCU supplying the heating
- Existing wireless thermostat was not connected - Cables were twisted together behind it's mounting socket... bare, no tape
- No demand connections to the boiler only the power supply - The demand control link was still in place so this thing has been running since it was turned on maintaining the temperature of the bypass loop
View attachment 36851
Not bad for my third attempt at central heating wiring if I do say so myself. Still room for improvement, but it all works as it should through a wireless programmer and a pair of wireless thermostats (one remote for the cylinder and one for a room). And I got a decent Zs at the boiler, so it's a winner
It looks like the two oranges are separate, that's a tad unusual?
How did you get over the lack of cord grips?
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I was originally going to have them feed a single demand connection, but the boiler is pretty clever, has a nice LCD on the front with a fancy menu driven control system. It has two demand inputs central heating and hot water, so I used the two. The boiler LCD then tells the customer what is demanding heat.
As for the cord grips, just clipped the cables very well after ascertaining what was going to be happening to that area of the house. Currently it's open but it is going to be boxed in. It's in a corner of a room. Opposite the wiring centre is a big hot water store and there are numerous pipes and things between the wall and that store. It's all going to be boxed in.
Not ideal I know, but I wasn't going there to rewire the thing, just to connect a wireless thermostat. Had I been to see the job before hand and known it was that bad I would have picked up a new wiring centre. It's an item that is going on my stock list
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I was originally going to have them feed a single demand connection, but the boiler is pretty clever, has a nice LCD on the front with a fancy menu driven control system. It has two demand inputs central heating and hot water, so I used the two. The boiler LCD then tells the customer what is demanding heat.
As for the cord grips, just clipped the cables very well after ascertaining what was going to be happening to that area of the house. Currently it's open but it is going to be boxed in. It's in a corner of a room. Opposite the wiring centre is a big hot water store and there are numerous pipes and things between the wall and that store. It's all going to be boxed in.
Not ideal I know, but I wasn't going there to rewire the thing, just to connect a wireless thermostat. Had I been to see the job before hand and known it was that bad I would have picked up a new wiring centre. It's an item that is going on my stock list
If it's being boxed in, and that's your reasoning for not needing to provide strain relief, then presumably it will be inaccessible and therefore should be MF?
But if it is accessible then it surely needs better strain relief than nail clips into plasterboard?
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I started writing a reply but got side tracked by a call out.
Dave does make a valid point, there should be strain relief. It's not perfect but in my mind the important thing is it is safer now than when I arrived at site because it's actually all properly earthed and it actually works as it should.
But hey, it's the end of a long hot glorious day that's been spent changing light fittings, replacing a failed RCD, connecting up the last circuits and appliances in the kitchen remodel I've been working on and repairing a ceiling light that nearly killed it's owner with a shock (she tried to change a bulb that exploded but had forgotten to turn it off and consequently fell off the table and pulled it down), turns out she's looking for someone to do electrical work at the hotel she manages. So life is good and there is the prospect of more work on the horizon
Dave does make a valid point, there should be strain relief. It's not perfect but in my mind the important thing is it is safer now than when I arrived at site because it's actually all properly earthed and it actually works as it should.
But hey, it's the end of a long hot glorious day that's been spent changing light fittings, replacing a failed RCD, connecting up the last circuits and appliances in the kitchen remodel I've been working on and repairing a ceiling light that nearly killed it's owner with a shock (she tried to change a bulb that exploded but had forgotten to turn it off and consequently fell off the table and pulled it down), turns out she's looking for someone to do electrical work at the hotel she manages. So life is good and there is the prospect of more work on the horizon
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I'd be interested to see how well 'I know it's not quite right but I've left it safer than when I arrived' works as a defence in court.
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I'd be interested to see you type a decent reply to somebody one day but hey the world's not perfect eh.
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She has carried out a repair which is miles better than how it started. Marked up and tested the system.
Let's not get overly picky cause there is minus a few p clips and firmer fixings!!
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There's people on this thread complaining about a few bits of insulation left in a loft next to a joint box, yet I am being overly picky for pointing out things which do not comply with the regulations?
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Yes that would be me, but no point in quoting things out of context Dave, that wasn't a complaint but more of an observation, a little example of a lack of being thorough which I tend to see quite often,nothing more. Do you leave discarded insulation in loft spaces , maybe you do because nothing in BS7671 forbids it ? I'm just saying that there's a lot more to being a really good electrician than merely complying with the regs, and the way you interact with people and treat them can go a long way.
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I've accidentally left all sorts of things in lofts and similar voids, but no I don't intentionally leave rubbish laying around.
Yes there is more to the job than complying with regulations, but there certainly is not less than complying with the regulations.
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