Very well put OT, and I do agree that the part p entry requirements for enry ino a part p scheme are practically nil. But I do not think that there should be no control of our industry, it should just be far more rigorous. Incidentally, there always was rubbish work, I've just been looking at a 1960's property that is a total disgrace. Hence the reason I think we do need safeguards, however the existing schemes are not working and I always make sure that the NICEIC assessor knows my views. But I personally think they are better that nothing, it the way that they determine competence that I disagree with.