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I don't mind them at all, but they are no more frequent than once every three weeks for me so it doesn't grind on me.
 
don't mind doing the testing, but hate filling in the 99 page forms.
 
Do it day in day out, luv it especially when the site is a bit unusual. Rarely touch domestics though.
 
Every couple of months I get asked to help on social housing projects. EICRs. 5 a day. I can only hack 3 days a week or I get so bored I want to pull my teeth out, the other team do 5days a week...its some seriously good money.
Have a license for their software so can type results straight into iPad, just click upload when property is finished.
 
How long each.? That seems very quick.. Including written up reports or is this done in office? I wouldnt take on more than 3 of these in a day 2 man team and done thourough. What are your lims and extent covered.?
 
bigspark17 said:
5 a day.? How many of you and how many circuits per property.? I do enjoy an eicr not every day tho
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See post number 8 :D

I used to work for an I&T company, where, after driving 100s of miles around the North of England doing about 4 periodics or PAT jobs per day, would then have to test a certain brand of bank in the evening.
These banks normally consist of >10 boards, plus some server of whathaveyou would take at least an hour to shutdown ... then start all over again the following morning.

How much actual serious testing do you think gets done under those conditions?

It's a cowboy industry. I jacked it in after about 3 months.
 
bigspark17 said:
How long each.? That seems very quick.. Including written up reports or is this done in office? I wouldnt take on more than 3 of these in a day 2 man team and done thourough. What are your lims and extent covered.?
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Computer written. Had the software on an iPad, templated so most info already filled.
That's how I felt before I started the contract. Lims were no moving of heavy items, cookers fridges etc. No accessing loft, under floor, no testing of any heating except isolation switch. Think that was all.
Hard work, but easy to do 5 in a day.
 
So what about IR test on lights and ring circuits? Testing bonding? Buggs me people flying through EICR's ticking boxes at dirt cheap prices not doing a thourough jobs and sheet full of lims!! Not insinuating that you do this atall, just good to get insight to diferent peoples approach, maybe i go in to deep when doing eicr's.
 
bigspark17 said:
So what about IR test on lights and ring circuits? Testing bonding? Buggs me people flying through EICR's ticking boxes at dirt cheap prices not doing a thourough jobs and sheet full of lims!! Not insinuating that you do this atall, just good to get insight to diferent peoples approach, maybe i go in to deep when doing eicr's.
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Well, does feel like you are insinuating something. I happen to take pride in my job and wouldn't put my name to something if I wasn't happy. Very short sighted view there.
Full sequence of testing done, properly
 
1-2 bed council houses/flats. All same layout, rewired 07-08. Pendants only, no fancy fittings. Takes seconds to take out all lamps. Customer unplugs everything while we get started. We check while doing dead tests to ring circuits including figure of eight. Not our responsibility to plug in anything except fridge/freezers. Wander lead for bonding.
 
Kate said:
Well, does feel like you are insinuating something. I happen to take pride in my job and wouldn't put my name to something if I wasn't happy. Very short sighted view there.
Full sequence of testing done, properly
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Well if you cant take a question or two without getting ratty il leave it there, no offense ment in any of my questions just trying to understand how you can test 5 properties properly in a day. Il keep remainder of questions to myself so as not too offend and question your work
 
bigspark17 said:
Well if you cant take a question or two without getting ratty il leave it there, no offense ment in any of my questions just trying to understand how you can test 5 properties properly in a day. Il keep remainder of questions to myself so as not too offend and question your work
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Starting a question with "so what.." induces a bad reaction. Take it from a female, attitude is our second language.
Which is why I explained how without replying direct to yours. Questions are fine if you genuinely want to know
 
Kate said:
Team of 2. 6-10 circuits
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5 sites a day Ave 30 to 50 circuits in total as two person team, ridiculous. I can only suggest the Reports generated from those sites contain little content and probably don't reflect the condition of those installations.
 
westward10 said:
5 sites a day Ave 30 to 50 circuits in total as two person team, ridiculous. I can only suggest the Reports generated from those sites contain little content and probably don't reflect the condition of those installations.
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Why do you assume that?
Going for averages that's 3-5 circuits an hour.
 
I used to work with a bloke did 10 3 bedroom houses a day, mind you he did do them from the drivers seat in the firms van.
 
Archy Styrigg said:
And what were you doing sat in the passenger seat all day, Pete? :D
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Doing what I was told to do I was only about 16, he got the Spanish Archer after a bit, a terrible man he was, used to bully all the apprentices, this was in the very early 60s, testing those days was not the be all and end all as it is today.
 
I would agree with allowing 3 hours, including lunch travel snags and writting report i stick with the comment i wouldnt take on more than 3 a day. U said ur not allowed to move fridges what if u cant unplug fridge do you lim L-L on rings.? Disconect any ballast or transformers for L-L on lights.? Does each flat have a dno supply?
 
When I do periodics it is not practical to disconnect all lighting from the circuit, the most important IR readings are line/neutral to earth. Same with fixed appliances have them all switched on so all parts are included in the test. ELFI tests done from isolator to appliance.
 
bigspark17 said:
I would agree with allowing 3 hours, including lunch travel snags and writting report i stick with the comment i wouldnt take on more than 3 a day. U said ur not allowed to move fridges what if u cant unplug fridge do you lim L-L on rings.? Disconect any ballast or transformers for L-L on lights.? Does each flat have a dno supply?
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There was only one where couldn't access dno supply. Sheltered residential housing, no warden on site. Place was not looked after, had to report it, warden clearly wasn't doing her job checking. Poor old lady clearly couldn't shower or cook for herself :(
I was asked what lims were, not what I followed. Customer unplugged most at start, we unplugged the rest.
You're making assumptions on how you would do the jobs, we don't have lunch breaks. Self employed, no trackers. I've rarely had a lunch break in the past 6 years unless I'm feeling low sugar levels. All jobs for one day in same road/adjacent road, walking distance from eachother. No travel needed.
There's is no special "report writing" all done on a iPad, with two Bluetooth enabled testers. I bought the iPad specifically for this project, has its own SIM card to send reports straight to office on site. Including any and all photo evidence needed.
Address and client info filled in the night before. Software is all drop down boxes.
Technology makes work easier
 
Technology can make life easier and it can also make your mind switch off, this is my general feeling not aiming it at you. People laugh at me because I don't use a MFT, but my old bashed gear is calibrated and doing the same task. I rarely unplug from sockets unless I am getting faults, maybe you should give it a go so you ain't working 10 hours a day:smile:
 
westward10 said:
Technology can make life easier and it can also make your mind switch off, this is my general feeling not aiming it at you. People laugh at me because I don't use a MFT, but my old bashed gear is calibrated and doing the same task. I rarely unplug from sockets unless I am getting faults, maybe you should give it a go so you ain't working 10 hours a day:smile:
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More than anything have to worry about customer trying to false an insurance claim :mad: every job we had to get tenant to sign a form that states they were happy all was working when we left especially fridges and cookers.
Money more than makes up for 10hrs ;)
 
Kate said:
More than anything have to worry about customer trying to false an insurance claim :mad: every job we had to get tenant to sign a form that states they were happy all was working when we left especially fridges and cookers.
Money more than makes up for 10hrs ;)
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Yeah we get people to sign something similar. There is this fear IR tests are going to destroy anything plugged into them, never caused damage in 25 odd years, or not that I know of:), no different to doing a PAT test (yeah I know don't say it). As a matter of interest is your poor colleague also working 10 hours+.
 
westward10 said:
Yeah we get people to sign something similar. There is this fear IR tests are going to destroy anything plugged into them, never caused damage in 25 odd years, or not that I know of:), no different to doing a PAT test (yeah I know don't say it). As a matter of interest is your poor colleague also working 10 hours+.
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Hahahah yea he is Travel there in same car
 
10 hours is almost part time, how times have changed, I used to work for a firm where you were lucky if you only did 60 hours a week. I once clocked up 84 hours mon- friday on a Tyre shredder in Birmingham it was on shut down and needed a Tooth change, anyway we got it done and driving back home friday night sure as anything the Boss rang, There's a break down on another tyre shredder in Howden any chance you can " Pop Over " it's on the way home/ well I lived in sheffield same as my workmate we were coming back from birmingham and howden is on the way to Bridlington so my answer was no we can't we're knackered to which he replied " You're in the wrong job if you don't want overtime.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
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