EU banning Halogen bulbs!

[Gavin John Hyde]

Despite banning old filament bulbs and telling us all to use these halogen ones instead, the politburo and EU dictatorship have decided that we should now only use LED lamps and have banned halogen ones...
EU will ban halogen bulbs at the end of the month making lighting our homes TWICE as expensive | Daily Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6049349/EU-ban-halogen-bulbs-end-month-making-lighting-homes-TWICE-expensive.html

I have a friend who runs his dads convenience/discount store in Bristol and has a supply of the old bulbs still, he is importing them from India and customs haven't stopped so much as a single one. Would love to see the headline if he ended up in court, daft thing is he would likely end up getting longer than if he smuggled drugs!

 

[Octopus]

100w filament bulbs were supposed to be banned a couple of years ago, but easy to find and buy..

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

100w filament bulbs were supposed to be banned a couple of years ago, but easy to find and buy..

In part because they were allowed to flog old stock, so companies such as wholesalers and discount stores imported and stockpiled loads of them. One Chinese company i recall imported half a million of them before the supposed ban and flog them still now under the old stock rules.

 

[telectrix]

another reason why i voted out. we are perfectly capable of banning inefficient light bulbs ourselves, without johnny foreigner unelected brussels sprout bureau rat telling us what to do. any way. they can't understand basic principals of physics. OK, halogens produce heat, nobody disputes that, but this heat is not wasted. it warms the room/s so that less energy is used by the heating system/s. like a 3kW kettle vs a 1kW kettle. to boil the water takes exactly the same amount of electricity in both. basic law of physics. it's just that the 3kW does it in 1/3 of the time.

 

[Gary K]

Its a shame that they cannot perfect them, advertised as lasting 50,000 hours and I am sure the LEDs do, its just a shame that other parts that make up the bulb sometimes only last a few hundred hours sometimes!

 

[Richard Burns]

This not news it is olds, the planned phase out has been in place for years and the ban this year has been reduced to give more time for the industry to catch up. Some halogen bulbs will now not be withdrawn from manufacture in EU until 2020.

 

[The Ghost]

Yeh but that wont affect us we are out of the EU. I wonder if that applies to cars and torches as well. Anyway I use incandescent filament lamps and candles.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Yeh but that wont affect us we are out of the EU. I wonder if that applies to cars and torches as well. Anyway I use incandescent filament lamps and candles.

The UK were one of the countries pushing for it to reduce energy consumption and just because we are leaving, all the rules will now come into UK law under the great repeal bill or something like it. until revoked, which is unlikely due to the green agenda that now prevails.

 

[johnduffell]

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Last i checked the cost of running the LEDs was less, i thought it was the bulbs that were more expensive. Anyway Phillips sent me a replacement for free when one i bought in the early days started flashing, so I'm quid in so far. Yes there's a higher up front cost but overall it saves money. We can use the saved electric to charge all our electric cars

. any way. they can't understand basic principals of physics. OK, halogens produce heat, nobody disputes that, but this heat is not wasted. it warms the room/s so that less energy is used by the heating system/s. l

since switching to LEDs has anyone had to fit electric radiators on the ceiling that run all year round?
Lighting is an uncontrolled heat source, far better to use a gas boiler with all the fancy controls. Less likely to need air conditioning with LEDs!

 

[buzzlightyear]

we want be do this next year . this small island will stand up to any country that mess with us .

 

[Deleted member 26818]

About time they were banned, bloody useless things, never last more than a couple of months anyway.

 

[Midwest]

we want be do this next year . this small island will stand up to any country that mess with us .

Buzz, if you mean what that post (Nazis), with that picture, quite frankly your a -----. If I've got that wrong apologies.

 

[1Justin]

Good

 

[Octopus]

About time they were banned, bloody useless things, never last more than a couple of months anyway.

Really... Which ones do you buy .... Never really had any problems with the units I buy and install

 

[Gary K]

Really... Which ones do you buy .... Never really had any problems with the units I buy and install

As said before, there are sparks and then there are good sparks

 

[buzzlightyear]

Buzz, if you mean what that post (Nazis), with that picture, quite frankly your a *****. If I've got that wrong apologies

my my ,the great EU .it was set up for trade .not telling us what we can and not do .
what about trying to say to traders you can only sell straight bananas.
F88KING BRATS.

 

[Des 56]

Blaming the EU for this the phasing out of high energy consumer products
It just goes to show how much that organisation gets blamed for policies that all of us (especially electricians)we should embrace even more than the general population

Its not a EU issue,its a habitable planet survival issue

Those who wail and scoff at these minuscule attempts to control energy use in the face of possible enormous future catastrophy
They would be better embracing the efforts do control energy use wherever those policies may have been formulated

Lighting is and has developed,it will continue to change and new products will take the place of less efficient older products,there is nothing controversial about bringing in legistlation to assist that change

Just as a footnote,the future may even see a incandescent lamp become more efficient than present day Leds
The problem of heat loss has been overcome in the lab

This type of lamp may evenreturn with a vengance

 

[davesparks]

like a 3kW kettle vs a 1kW kettle. to boil the water takes exactly the same amount of electricity in both. basic law of physics. it's just that the 3kW does it in 1/3 of the time.

A 1kW kettle of similar design uses more electricity to boil the same quantity of water and takes more than 3x the time that a 3kW kettle takes.

 

[buzzlightyear]

EU hoover ban: Powerful vacuums outlawed ,WHAT A LOAD OF S**t.

 

[ferg]

Halogens are bloody awful things anyway.

As for Quoting the Daily Fail as a source......

I just got more kittens from my daily mail blocker.

 

[buzzlightyear]

FERG ,why is most of the thing i have said in dumb .
please don't stand behind the door say some thing .
or did you voted to say .

 

[ferg]

Hardly standing behind the door Buzz.

The dumb rating has my name on it and your posts speak for themselves.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Halogens are bloody awful things anyway

it would be better to keep the halogens . glass then trying to strip a led bulb for land fill .

 

[Midwest]

my my ,the great EU .it was set up for trade .not telling us what we can and not do .
what about trying to say to traders you can only sell straight bananas.
F88KING BRATS.

Think your missing my point.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Think your missing my point.

is it the people saluting the EU DICTATE TO US and not to other country's like Spain & France . if you ask them
they say it is only for the English .

 

[Strima]

Did our political elite not start lobbying for a ban on high energy consuming devices back in 2006 and the EU then decided to bring in new laws?

So we have ourselves to blame as the EU are only doing what we wanted in the first place?

Apart from our kettles, you can leave those alone!!!

 

[andyb]

we want be do this next year . this small island will stand up to any country that mess with us .

You do know that our forefathers fought these people Buzz?
Some gave up their lives in the fight.

I guess you didn't.

 

[andyb]

my my ,the great EU .it was set up for trade .not telling us what we can and not do .
what about trying to say to traders you can only sell straight bananas.
F88KING BRATS.

Buzz there has never been a ban on bent bananas, that is a myth. There is a regulation defining classes of bananas but that was for wholesale purposes. That will not change.

I hope that helps Buzz, now that you know you were decieved I expect you'll be demanding another referendum, good luck with that, I'm against one.

 

[buzzlightyear]

You do know that our forefathers fought these people Buzz?
Some gave up their lives in the fight.

i am just pointing to the way the EU are a dictatorship. if the picture offended anybody then i will not apologise .
the men are buried in those foreign country's fort for hour beliefs
so next time those Cretins in EU should think before making up more c**P.
they are not far from the truth in that picture .
i voted out .

 

[andyb]

i am just pointing to the way the EU are a dictatorship. if the picture offended anybody then i will not apologise .
the men are buried in those foreign country's fort for hour beliefs
so next time those Cretins in EU should think before making up more c**P.
they are not far from the truth in that picture .
i voted out .

And I'm just pointing out that these are nazis (google it), and you want to join them.
Google dictatorship whilst you're at it and explain how that applies to the EU.

 

[Octopus]

Google dictatorship whilst you're at it and explain how that applies to the EU.

Maybe ask the Greek people?

 

[johnduffell]

EU hoover ban: Powerful vacuums outlawed ,WHAT A LOAD OF S**t.

I think you'll find high energy using vacuums were banned because manufacturers were competing on wattage (ie energy used) rather than how well they cleaned. The eu also brought in one of those rainbow rating labels to show how good the vacs actually are at the job.
The makers were effectively strapping fan heaters to their vacs to make the wattage higher making us all fools

there has never been a ban on bent bananas, that is a myth

Yes Boris the clown admitted he made all that up because it made his column in the paper more interesting

 

[andyb]

Maybe ask the Greek people?

Ask them what Murdoch?

 

[Octopus]

Ask them what Murdoch?

Whether they had any choice but accept the terms the EU put on them to accept EU money ?

 

[Squid]

You do know that our forefathers fought these people Buzz?
Some gave up their lives in the fight.

I guess you didn't.

And got screwed over for doing so.....

 

[Squid]

Whether they had any choice but accept the terms the EU put on them to accept EU money ?

You mean the Germans, they are winning WWIII

 

[FatAlan]

No need to ban. They’ll become obsolete when everyone realises LED equivalents use a tenth of the power. Still, it will backfire on the French as we won’t need to buy as much of their electricity.

 

[Marvo]

About time they were banned, they're so inefficient it's criminal.

Same with vacuum cleaners, the idiot manufacturers have spent decades convincing the idiot customers that if a vacuum cleaner has a bigger motor it must be better. It just led to a race to make them with most enormous motors and appalling efficiency possibly because the marketing made them sell. You can outperform a 2kw power vacuum cleaner with a 500w EC motor version but now the only way to get manufacturers to become energy efficient is with legislation.

 

[Adam W]

I agree with a ban.
You don't have to look hard to find someone who has made their decision that low energy light bulbs are rubbish and given the choice would use 210W to light up a small kitchen instead of 33W.

I expect almost everyone on this forum has seen the damage caused by hot light bulbs, from making a lampholder brittle to the point where it can crack and reveal live conductors to where an installer has messed up the spacing between downlighters and the joist has become charred, not to mention the obvious benefit of having a light bulb which you can accidentally or otherwise touch without burning yourself.

 

[Squid]

About time they were banned, they're so inefficient it's criminal.

Same with vacuum cleaners, the idiot manufacturers have spent decades convincing the idiot customers that if a vacuum cleaner has a bigger motor it must be better. It just led to a race to make them with most enormous motors and appalling efficiency possibly because the marketing made them sell. You can outperform a 2kw power vacuum cleaner with a 500w EC motor version but now the only way to get manufacturers to become energy efficient is with legislation.

I'd rather the sound of a 7 litre V8 then a 1.8 TDi VSi Ghia AlFresco......

 

[buzzlightyear]

And I'm just pointing out that these are nazis (google it), and you want to join them.

me no , the EU has always had it in for UK. they want our Moines and nothing else.
my brother in law went to Brussel's .has he went to tell them about the fishing industry in uk has he was a fisher man and he was a spoke's man for all UK fishermen .when he spoke out about it to the EU they boo him .
google is a big company making Moines no difference to the EU.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Whether they had any choice but accept the terms the EU put on them to accept EU money ?

their is so much Moines gone from the EU pot
given to sham company's that they cant even do a audited for the monies they received. that so much Moines going missing .

 

[andyb]

Whether they had any choice but accept the terms the EU put on them to accept EU money ?

They had choices Murdoch, they could of left the euro zone, the EU or not had a bailout.
I'm against the EU's stance on Greece, I'm against a lot of what the EU does. That dosn't make it a dictatorship though.

This is a good read, though it's just someones opinion.

Greece has its problems with the EU, but it is in no hurry to leave | George Kyris - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/13/greece-problems-with-eu-would-never-leave

 

[andyb]

And got screwed over for doing so.....

If you say so.

 

[Squid]

If you say so.

Why it took 60 years for Poles to celebrate VE Day - https://www.britishlegion.org.uk/community/stories/remembrance/why-it-took-60-years-for-poles-to-celebrate-ve-day/

 

[Squid]

The EU is run by the elites for the elites, the German economy are the ones making the most out of the Euro and have the most to lose if it all falls apart, I just don't like the bullying and to be honest the UK will not leave the EU, all this faffing around is a smokescreen, leave means leave, get out sort out the financials later like in any divorce/separation.

 

[NDG Elecs]

Don't see a problem here. Buying LEDs that typically cost 2-3 times as much, use 80% less power and often last much longer than halos is a no brainer imo. OK, I understand people don't like being dictated too, but sometimes they need to be told!!
My only hope would be for better and more stringent manufacturing standards, as that has gone well and truly down the pan. Cracked open our Miele vac last weekend to get it firing again. Some of the components inside were really cheap and nasty looking. Seen similarly accountant-led manufacturing in other premium brands such as Bosch too.

 

[NDG Elecs]

Duplicate...

 

[Squid]

Don't see a problem here. Buying LEDs that typically cost 2-3 times as much, use 80% less power and often last much longer than halos is a no brainer imo. OK, I understand people don't like being dictated too, but sometimes they need to be told!!
My only hope would be for better and more stringent manufacturing standards, as that has gone well and truly down the pan. Cracked open our Miele vac last weekend to get it firing again. Some of the components inside were really cheap and nasty looking. Seen similarly accountant-led manufacturing in other premium brands such as Bosch too.

I some COB LED's for the bathroom from LED Hut lucky I upgraded to their free extended warranty as over a period of two years they died one by one, in the end I ordered 2 spares of the new ones they where sending out so as not to be without one lamp, in the end when the last one was replaced then must have screwed up and sent me 7 which now sods law will out live me.

 

[telectrix]

having tried several makes/styles of LED GU10s, most having failed within a few months, i went for minisun. fitted loads and not had 1 failure as yet.