Help with spurs from ring main

[Callumh1992]

Good evening. Currently sorting out my girlfriend’s flat for rent. I’ve found all sorts of bad electrical work.

Can anyone advise if this is an acceptable way of connecting 2 spurs to the ring main? It will all be connected in a double back box behind a blank plate on a wall using 32amp rated wagos?

I don’t see any issues would just like some other opinions

 

[nicebutdim]

It's not acceptable to have more than one spur from a single point, in this manner.

This work would also require a minor works certificate.

If you're planning on renting, the required EICR should highlight any such work and you'd then be obliged to pay someone to put it right and issue certification to that effect. It would be easier to involve a spark now, have them extend the ring to provide any necessary additional sockets and provide certification for it - probably also cheaper in the long run.

 

[Callumh1992]

It's not acceptable to have more than one spur from a single point, in this manner.

This work would also require a minor works certificate.

If you're planning on renting, the required EICR should highlight any such work and you'd then be obliged to pay someone to put it right and issue certification to that effect. It would be easier to involve a spark now, have them extend the ring to provide any necessary additional sockets and provide certification for it - probably also cheaper in the long run.

I am a spark. I will be carrying out EICR I’ve uncovered many problem worse than this one so far.

Am I not right in thinking I’m not breaking the Ring?

I’ve got the ring main coming into 2 separate connector blocks and link them together.

Would it not work the same as if I was to get 2 single sockets and link between them then take a spur of each socket? This way it would just get rid of unessacesary sockets at high level.

Blank plate will be accessible within a cupboard.

 

[nicebutdim]

I am a spark. I will be carrying out EICR I’ve uncovered many problem worse than this one so far.

Am I not right in thinking I’m not breaking the Ring?

I’ve got the ring main coming into 2 separate connector blocks and link them together.

Would it not work the same as if I was to get 2 single sockets and link between them then take a spur of each socket? This way it would just get rid of unessacesary sockets at high level.

Blank plate will be accessible within a cupboard.

I see what you mean with that short length of cable between the two joints. I guess you could argue the t.o.s.s. if someone took issue with the work, but I don't know why you wouldn't just extend the ring - you have to pull a cable to each spur, so why not pull an extra leg between them at the same time?

Edit: Not sure why 't o s s' falls foul of a word filter.

 

[ferg]

I agree with NBD on extending the ring but Technically no different to a ring at grid switches.

 

[Callumh1992]

I agree with NBD on extending the ring but Technically no different to a ring at grid switches.

Extending the ring would be the ideal world. However concrete walls etc. pretty much before there was a box behind the wall I uncovered both all 4 cables were just twisted together.

So surely this is an upgrade?

 

[westward10]

So what you are saying this is existing and not a method you are about to undertake but you wish to improve the connections?

 

[Callumh1992]

So what you are saying this is existing and not a method you are about to undertake but you wish to improve the connections?

Pretty much this is the scenario. So before it was all connectored together. I’ve now essentially split the 2 spur to the ring. Quite hard to explain.

 

[timhoward]

The only regulation about ring final circuits allows for the "intended conditions of use" to be considered when determining compliance. Without knowing this I don't think we can say for certain that the diagram in the OP wouldn't comply. See 433.1.204

I do agree with @nicebutdim that extending the ring is preferable as every sparks in the land will accept it as compliant.

 

[Avo Mk8]

I do agree with @nicebutdim that extending the ring is preferable as every sparks in the land will accept it as compliant.

That would also apply if the ring was just extended one side, which might be easier?