How to hide too much cable under a ceiling light rose

[Sty1990]

We’ve removed a strip light from the kitchen and discovered loads of cable behind it. Loops from different plugs and switches so it can’t be removed. It was easily hidden in the big light but ive bought a light with 3 spots on a pole and the rose bit is pretty shallow. the wires can’t be pushed any further into the ceiling and the flooring above cant be lifted without moving the bath. Anyone got an6 ideas of how to easily box in or hide these wires? Thanks

 

[littlespark]

Is this all jointed together within the fitting?

Originally, it may have all been in an old type ceiling rose, but maybe not if the property has been rewired at some time.

The joints should really be enclosed in a joint box, and pushed up into the void, but depending on number of cables, this could become quite large.

Can we get a photo?

 

[brianmoooore]

Not an uncommon scenario. Fluorescent batten fittings were an easily accessible and convenient place to join a few lighting circuit cables together.

 

[Sty1990]

Is this all jointed together within the fitting?

Originally, it may have all been in an old type ceiling rose, but maybe not if the property has been rewired at some time.

The joints should really be enclosed in a joint box, and pushed up into the void, but depending on number of cables, this could become quite large.

Can we get a photo?

Thanks for your reply. Here’s a low resolution photo as I couldn’t get anything else to upload. I’d ideally like to avoid the hole being any bigger in the ceiling as the replacement light is just a regular size rose.

 

[brianmoooore]

Can't make out too much in that pic, even at maximum magnification, but it looks like a job for a long, thin Wago box and connectors, with a short cble attached for your new light. These boxes are designed to be pushed through a hole smaller than a ceiling rose.

 

[Sty1990]

Can't make out too much in that pic, even at maximum magnification, but it looks like a job for a long, thin Wago box and connectors, with a short cble attached for your new light. These boxes are designed to be pushed through a hole smaller than a ceiling rose.

Thanks for that advice. Unfortunately there are 5 thick grey wires (with coloured ones inside) sorry I don’t know technical terms and they fill the hole. There’s no space to push anything up and the cables won’t pull out at all. Is there a similar solution to box it on the outside. Or should I make a wooden one?

 

[littlespark]

You can get round plasterboard boxes that sink into the ceiling, as long as there’s not a joist in the way…
Make all the supplementary joints in there and only bring a switched live, neutral and earth into the rise.

The threaded holes in the box should match up with the fixing holes in the rose, just need M4 screws to attach.

Or as above, a wago lite box. Just needs maybe an inch square hole to pop up, and the same SW/L, N and E into the rose. The rose itself would cover the hole.

 

[SJD]

A close up photo with better resolution would be very helpful.

I'm wondering if the wiring is sheathed singles, and there are not that many connections - in fact as many as you'd expect in an old loop-in at the fitting installation. In which case the junctions might all fit into the miniature Wagos (2273 series) intended for lighting circuits. Which would avoid the need for any junction box or plasterboard holes.

 

[Sty1990]

does this help?

 

[brianmoooore]

That appears to be standard 'loop in' wiring, as you'd find in a conventionally mid circuit ceiling rose plus the switched feed and switch wires for another light.
Is the ceiling plasterboard or lathe and plaster?