Minimum Qualifications Required

[Octopus]

I'm only starting this thread because 2 last night got locked by Marvo before I could respond again.

So in response to:

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...orum/82885-minimum-qualifications-needed.html

More harm was done by the replies to the original thread because of the en-masse stupidly thought out answers by most of the responders, which to be frank simply makes us look daft.

The OP's question was quite simple (maybe not thought out correctly) and the obvious answer was the membership of Part P via a scheme - whether we like that or not its here to stay..... I interact with sparks of all grades and from what I see there is NO correlation between a Electrical Trainee cutting corners and the bad installs I see. In fact there are a number of "time served" sparks around me who do downright dodgy, non certificated, CIH jobs.

So next time there's a thread like last nights lets keep the reponses on track and constructive...... rants about the schemes and Electrical Trainee's don't help and actually, IMHO do more harm, and make us look foolish.

Tin hat on.

Edit: I now see far more dodgy kitchen installs since the scope of Part P got relaxed...

 

[Badged01]

Thats where I must have gone wrong Tel, didnt get the experience but got the rest working in the Far East ...... less the AIDS, hadnt heard of it in the early 80's!

 

[Octopus]

Wrong attitude to be honest, just ignore them, or tell them politely. What teaching qualifications do you have then as most of you on here think you have some god given right and experts in you fields?

Said by a poster who's been less than honest with the forum.

 

[KAS1]

I've only just read this thread, I'm sick of the stupid questions that are asked by so called skilled people it's embarrassing IMO so I say some of them need the P1zz talking out of them because they sure as hell will get it taken out of them on site lol

 

[Regs]

Said by a poster who's been less than honest with the forum.

But that is the hole problem its not really a forum is it. A forum is a place i thought where different people come and talk, exchange experience
This is a dictatorship run by mostly a bunch of clicky wining women who think they have some right to teach and judge others and get off on it!. Whether you like it or not thats the truth.

Whilst some are genuine and want to help others.

 

[Octopus]

But that is the hole problem its not really a forum is it. A forum is a place i thought where different people come and talk, exchange experience
This is a dictatorship run by mostly a bunch of clicky wining women who think they have some right to teach and judge others and get off on it!. Whether you like it or not thats the truth.

Whilst some are genuine and want to help others.

As I stated, YOU have been less than honest with the forum, haven't you.

If you look at my posts they are generally very helpful.

If you don't like it you can go else where......

 

[KAS1]

Nothing wrong with helping other sparks, however some people ask the basics, so they can hardly be called a spark.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

experience is not a thing that can be passed on. crabs, genital warts, AIDS, these can all be passed on. experience has to be learnt.

well...
you could say you had learnt a lesson though couldn`t you...either way

 

[GLENNSPARK]

experience is not a thing that can be passed on. crabs, genital warts, AIDS, these can all be passed on. experience has to be learnt.

and just when i thought we had reached rock bottom...
then you come out with....

 

[SirKit Breaker]

OOH Dear handbags!

I am not going to get tangled in the pro's and con's of all of this, but i will voice my opinions in the good name of the forum.

It is the Electricians Forum, but it is also a public forum, and as such it is not restricted to Electricians. So irrespective of what yours/my opinions are about people who post in may be, we must all act properly.

People have a right to post their views/opinions etc rightly or wrongly in a public forum, we have a right to respond or ignore the posts as we see fit. What we don't have is the right to offend or belittle people because they are not Electricians and are posting in the Electricians forum asking for advice etc etc for whatever reason, this is what gets us a bad name.

This forum is run by a handful of people who put a hell of a lot of time and effort into it for no reward, it only takes a few snide remarks to undo all their hard work, so remember this the next time you choose to "have a go".

I think the DIY forum is an excellent idea, i am more than happy to post and advise in there, and this is why. Over the years i have been on no end of forums looking for advice about no end of different things, and for the most part the advice given has been excellent, even when that advice was not was i was wanting to hear like "I suggest you contact a diesel specialist".

Why do Electricians see themselves as being above everyone else just because we did an Apprenticeship? We are not the only apprentice trained trade out there, and we are not the only trade who has people in it without formal qualifications.

This post is not aimed at any one particular person, nor is intended to offend, but some people need to grow up and show some maturity. The best trades people will always prevail, irrespective of their background.

Cheers...............Howard

 

[Sparkysoldman]

OOH Dear handbags!

I am not going to get tangled in the pro's and con's of all of this, but i will voice my opinions in the good name of the forum.

It is the Electricians Forum, but it is also a public forum, and as such it is not restricted to Electricians. So irrespective of what yours/my opinions are about people who post in may be, we must all act properly.

People have a right to post their views/opinions etc rightly or wrongly in a public forum, we have a right to respond or ignore the posts as we see fit. What we don't have is the right to offend or belittle people because they are not Electricians and are posting in the Electricians forum asking for advice etc etc for whatever reason, this is what gets us a bad name.

This forum is run by a handful of people who put a hell of a lot of time and effort into it for no reward, it only takes a few snide remarks to undo all their hard work, so remember this the next time you choose to "have a go".

I think the DIY forum is an excellent idea, i am more than happy to post and advise in there, and this is why. Over the years i have been on no end of forums looking for advice about no end of different things, and for the most part the advice given has been excellent, even when that advice was not was i was wanting to hear like "I suggest you contact a diesel specialist".

Why do Electricians see themselves as being above everyone else just because we did an Apprenticeship? We are not the only apprentice trained trade out there, and we are not the only trade who has people in it without formal qualifications.

This post is not aimed at any one particular person, nor is intended to offend, but some people need to grow up and show some maturity. The best trades people will always prevail, irrespective of their background.

Cheers...............Howard

Very long post very short reply Spot on !!!!

 

[Knobhead]

Some claim to be electricians, it doesn’t take long to weed them out.

I’m all for passing on knowledge but only if it’s going to be used safely. Too many come here wanting information they aren’t capable of acting on.

 

[Regs]

As I stated, YOU have been less than honest with the forum, haven't you.

If you look at my posts they are generally very helpful.

If you don't like it you can go else where......

Sorry site foreman it wont happen again!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Defend it all you like you cannot become an electrician by completing a 5 week course. The problem is someone with no practical experience then setting up their own business as a self employed electrician and being paid by a poor unsuspecting householder who thinks he must be competent as he is a member of a scheme.
Yes you can be time served and do a crap job but there is more chance of a bodge job by someone who who has little experience.
I cannot believe any electrician who has served an apprenticeship and gained site experience in a variety of roles would ever defend this route into this industry. The Industry we are all trying to make a living in and is being devalued by the week.

Not "is", but was, just under a decade ago. Its happened along time ago.

 

[Regs]

So nothing is now notifiable apart from CU change, work in special location, swimming pool & saunas. Lastly new circuits but even with this there is a loop hole as if you want one new circuit you only need to accidentally damage the circuit and then replacing the new circuit becomes non notifiable!

 

[markc123]

So nothing is now notifiable apart from CU change, work in special location, swimming pool & saunas. Lastly new circuits but even with this there is a loop hole as if you want one new circuit you only need to accidentally damage the circuit and then replacing the new circuit becomes non notifiable!

I realise i said i wouldn't reply directly too you again. However, just one little question i would like to know...

Why do you try and find a possible loop hole in absolutley everything?

And this isn't anything really to do with this question, just in general with the amount of problems you try and uncover....You do realise BS7671/GN3/OSG ect.. are all non-stat? Yes they have to be worked too, but certain situations call for different actions...like the whole 3amp fuse/manfucatures instructions debate.

Nothing is 100% concrete unless it's statutory.

 

[micknew]

So nothing is now notifiable apart from CU change, work in special location, swimming pool & saunas. Lastly new circuits but even with this there is a loop hole as if you want one new circuit you only need to accidentally damage the circuit and then replacing the new circuit becomes non notifiable!

This must be the way non qualified 'sparks' get over the .Part P law

 

[Octopus]

So nothing is now notifiable apart from CU change, work in special location, swimming pool & saunas. Lastly new circuits but even with this there is a loop hole as if you want one new circuit you only need to accidentally damage the circuit and then replacing the new circuit becomes non notifiable!

So the troll shows his true colours

Oh and by the way you are not correct.

 

[Regs]

So the troll shows his true colours

Oh and by the way you are not correct.

Grow up
Troll just for stating a true fact??
It is correct and you know it site foreman

 

[micknew]

So the troll shows his true colours

Oh and by the way you are not correct.

Goes to work on a horse.

 

[Regs]

I realise i said i wouldn't reply directly too you again. However, just one little question i would like to know...

Why do you try and find a possible loop hole in absolutley everything?

And this isn't anything really to do with this question, just in general with the amount of problems you try and uncover....You do realise BS7671/GN3/OSG ect.. are all non-stat? Yes they have to be worked too, but certain situations call for different actions...like the whole 3amp fuse/manfucatures instructions debate.

Nothing is 100% concrete unless it's statutory.

Im simply just pointing out that the regs, rules seem to be a bit of a joke at times. I like definate answers not interpretations