NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC Three Part Certificate

[uksparks]

Hi,

Just wondered if anyone on here is using the NICEIC online certification software as I have a question.


I have just been asked to test a new install and was looking to see if I could do a three part certificate but cannot seem to find a way of doing it as it only lets me sign it as a single signature.


Does anyone know? Not to worry if not, ill just call them on Monday.


Thanks.

 

[Octopus]

I'd be interested to hear what they say BUT if somebody is expecting YOU to sign off THEIR work its a no go I'm afraid. All you can offer is a full EICR

 

[uksparks]

I know this was discussed the other day, but surely a three part cert that they sign for design and installation and you sign for testing? Is that not ok?

The bloke has been an electrician for 40 years and has just rewired his house, he is 17th etc, but cannot do the cert, its a friend of someone my mrs works with.

Like I say, if its a three part, you are only signing for the testing... I certainly would not sign for his work, no way, but If its just the testing, then I don't see why not?

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just to add, that's why I was looking at a three part, not a single sig cert as I don't want to do that, I would have to have them sign for the other two parts which they will, just not the testing.

 

[Octopus]

Self certification is EXACTLY that Self Certification, where you sign for the design, installation and testing.

How many times has this come up!

 

[Plonker 3]

Not too sure how you do it, but I can't see a problem with it, as long as you get someone else to sign off the design and installation sections of the cert.

Murdoch, imagine a large project which is designed externally the over seen by a clerk of works before finally being tested by the main electrical contractor. This is no different. Just because it's only on a small scale doesn't make it any different.

 

[Plonker 3]

Appendix 6 of BS7671 also has a model form which requires 3 signatures, for design installation and I&T. If I remember correctly Part P says the EIC must be on the models provided in there so nothing wrong what so ever if that's correct.

 

[uksparks]

Dillb, that's what I was thinking, surely that's what a three part is for? I would then only be responsible for the testing and that only. there's not a chance I would put my name on other peoples work.

My original question was if anyone knew how to generate a thee part cert on the NICEIC online software. I am more than aware of the issues around signing for someone else.

 

[MDJ]

Hi,

Just wondered if anyone on here is using the NICEIC online certification software as I have a question.


I have just been asked to test a new install and was looking to see if I could do a three part certificate but cannot seem to find a way of doing it as it only lets me sign it as a single signature.


Does anyone know? Not to worry if not, ill just call them on Monday.


Thanks.

The Niceic won't allow you to sign off others work

 

[uksparks]

Self certification is EXACTLY that Self Certification, where you sign for the design, installation and testing.

How many times has this come up!

Murdoch, thanks for the input, but I do feel a doing a three part would be ok. I appreciate this has come up a lot, but this has drifted from my question.

 

[uksparks]

The Niceic won't allow you to sign off others work

I do not want to sign off others work, I want a three part certificate so I can split it so I only sign the testing.

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Just to add, if I cannot get a three part, I wont entertain it.

 

[Octopus]

I do not want to sign off others work, I want a three part certificate so I can split it so I only sign the testing.

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Just to add, if I cannot get a three part, I wont entertain it.

Please let me listen in to your call with the NICEIC!

 

[Plonker 3]

The Niceic won't allow you to sign off others work

What difference is there between part p work and new builds which both come under LABC before being passed as fit for use so to speak. Just both notified slightly differently.

 

[uksparks]

Am I missing something here? I thought you could get three part certs from them? Am I wrong then??

 

[Plonker 3]

No you can get them from NICEIC, signed them before myself for jobs I have tested when working for a company.

 

[uksparks]

No you can get them from NICEIC, signed them before myself for jobs I have tested when working for a company.

Ok great, that means you can probably do them online too then.

 

[Plonker 3]

No idea, was before the days of online certs that I last saw one.

 

[uksparks]

Ill call them on Monday and clear this up, if I cant do it that's fine, its no loss to me, just would be nice that's all.

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Enjoy your weekend.

 

[MDJ]

What difference is there between part p work and new builds which both come under LABC before being passed as fit for use so to speak. Just both notified slightly differently.

Just replying to the OP fella and saying it as it is, as for your question-no idea except all sparks should give certificates for new work whether it needs notifying or not.

 

[guest119]

Not too sure how you do it, but I can't see a problem with it, as long as you get someone else to sign off the design and installation sections of the cert.

Murdoch, imagine a large project which is designed externally the over seen by a clerk of works before finally being tested by the main electrical contractor. This is no different. Just because it's only on a small scale doesn't make it any different.

It is totally different.
In your example the main electrical contractor would be testing HIS OWN work.
then the test results would be used to verify the consultants design.

Boydy

 

[Plonker 3]

So why 3 signatures and not 2 then?