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Is there a timeframe for re-launch Oldtimer? Can only see it creating some more work for the qualified spark with luck!
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I noticed the test labels and the one on the kettle had a two year span between test! Now if I had been testing that appliance in that situ, I would take into account the number of possible users and frequency of handling and use and I would have put a yearly re-test date on it.
On the flipside I've seen labels for equipment being used on Construction sites with a one-year retest date label on them when the Code of Practice recommends a maximum of 3 months between Combined Inspections and Tests! "Once a year" seems to be (wrongly) stuck in peoples' heads.
I have no timeframe stuck in my head, I take each item and where it is and it's use and make my decision on that . Instead of digging at me for my choice of retest of something that I have seen you could have just agreed that not everyone is following accepted testing procedure.
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that they recommend that some equipment in some environments either dont have to be tested or the periods betwen tests should be longer
I have a copy of the HSE report which indicates that, provided "formal visual recorded inspections" are made and recorded, then a full inspection and test is not necessary.
However, there are over 3,000 items at my place of work and the company staff do not have time to perform these additional tests - usually on double insulated items in offices.
However, if anyone has other constructive ideas..........
As our american cousins would is this not kicking the can down the road ?Unless i'm missing the obvious, the company has serveral choices:
v Find the time to set up a testing regime and conduct it in-house
v Engage the services of a contractor
v Ignore it and hope for the best
v Consider employing someone part time to work through the backlog and get the t&i up to date.
What frequency do you guys suggest PAT testing in schools?
It looks like what they've tried to do there is to clarify 'common sense' which as we all know in reality isn't that common.
For example basic user checks such as telling the boss if you have to 'wiggle the lead' on an appliance or if a flex has become frayed, could be done more easily and effectively in a small office with a handful of employees, eg going down the shop and buying a replacement, rather than in a large office where employees are told not to attempt any kind of maintenance in case the company get sued, and employees might be put off reporting defective appliances for fear that the time taken by facilities to order a replacement will cause too much inconvenience.
This could well be 'self-policing' as smaller companies are less likely to be able to afford a dedicated health and safety rep.
These user checks could be far more effective than paying someone 50p to slap on a sticker every year.
What frequency do you guys suggest PAT testing in schools?
It's an 'Olympic' breakfast. More of a political statement than anything - Little Chef having been banned from using the term 'Olympic' because of this year's Olympics.Never mind the topic thats a dam fine looking breakfast
Unless i'm missing the obvious, the company has serveral choices:
v Find the time to set up a testing regime and conduct it in-house
v Engage the services of a contractor
v Ignore it and hope for the best
v Consider employing someone part time to work through the backlog and get the t&i up to date.
II&TEE (In Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment.FAT ( fixed appliance testing)
Who ever heard of a company getting someone in to do FAT testing?
II&TEE (In Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment.
That's what the IET call it - there's no need to start making up your own acronyms.
Who ever heard of a company getting someone in to do FAT testing?
Hi Fryers, If you read the new IET code of practice, edition 4 that came out last November, all retesting is done by risk assessment. It depends on type and class of item, location, whos using it, previous PAT test history, how likely staff or users are liable to report a problem. Thers a few other bits in there as well. Bearing in mind the code is only a guide, it says you dont put a retest date on the stickers anymore either. What I have done on my last few jobs is make a susgested retest sched and told the duty holder that the final descision is up to them if they think it should be done more or less often.
Well if you are a PAT tester legally you cannot and you are not insured if you are a qualified spark you can plus you will need to make a set of leads up BIG GREY area this
Only problem even after the H&S and ISI&TEE review we are no further forward or clearer yep the government wants to widen the test period for less cost to business but have lumped the decission on the customer and still not clarified fixed appliance. Now that means PAT companies are still ignoring it so when you or I are asked to quote for it we get stuck with like for like so yep customer does not want it but the regs say otherwise.
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