Speeding ticket for van

ruston · Jul 7, 2017

Flanders said:
Yes im afraid it true but i don't get this law , if you have a great big range rover you can go the 70 but if your in a little berlingo you can only go 60. !!! I also wondered if those average speed cameras know if you are in a car of a van ??

Yes They do.

westward10 · Jul 7, 2017

Very few people realise this but the law is such that you should know the speed limit no matter what you are driving. Surveys review the lack of awareness for this and I think the dealer/lease company should make this clear.

westward10 · Jul 7, 2017

Strange you see many of these vans with "limited to 70 mph" on the back of them.

westward10 · Jul 7, 2017

ruston said:
Yes They do.

Always makes me laugh when people speed between the cameras then slow down at the camera not realising it is assessing your speed between the cameras.

ruston · Jul 7, 2017

A car derived van can do 70 on a dual cariageway and motorway.

ruston · Jul 7, 2017

The A1 is bad for that now.

rsgaz · Jul 7, 2017

westward10 said:
Strange you see many of these vans with "limited to 70 mph" on the back of them.

How so? They are allowed 70 on a motorway.

westward10 · Jul 7, 2017

ruston said:
A car derived van can do 70 on a dual cariageway and motorway.

It is confusing because a car derived van does not need to look like the car it is derived from say for example the Astravan it means it is built on the same chassis base as a car. My Caddy is deemed to be such but I believe it is speed restricted because it exceeds the GVW.

ruston · Jul 7, 2017

I know, if you are in that situation it is best to check as the dvla have admitted a lot have been wrongly registered.

ruston · Jul 7, 2017

From this link.

Car-derived vans and dual purpose vehicles - GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

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Car derived vans
Very few vans will meet the criteria for a car derived van (CDV). Those that do are likely to be similar to a Ford Fiesta van, Vauxhall Corsa or Renault Clio van.

Legal definition of a car derived van
Schedule 6 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 describes a car derived van as:

‘car-derived van’ means a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes.’

How to identify a car derived van
Car derived vans are:

designed to weigh no more than 2 tonnes when loaded fully
based on car designs or the vehicle is built from a platform which has been designed and developed to be built as a car or a van by the same manufacturer

As a general rule, from the outside, these vehicles will look like the size of a car, but on the inside the vehicle will look like and function as a van, because:

there will be no rear seats, rear seat belts or mountings
there will be a payload area with floor panel in the rear of the vehicle
there will be no side windows in the rear of the vehicle - or if present, side windows will be opaque and fixed (with no means of opening or closing)

If your van is a CDV, it will be recorded as such under ‘body type’ on the vehicle’s registration document (V5C). If there is any other entry under ‘body type’ the vehicle is not registered as a car derived van and will be subject to speeds lower than the national limits.

Speed limits
Car derived vans are the only light commercial (goods) vehicles which are subject to the same speed limits as a car.

All other light commercial (goods) vehicles, including small vans, are restricted to maximum speed limits applicable to goods vehicles not exceeding 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight:

50mph on single carriageways
60mph on dual carriageways
70mph on motorways

What to do if you think your vehicle has been incorrectly registered
The Department for Transport recognises that historically some vehicles may have been incorrectly registered.

If you believe your vehicle is a CDV and is not registered as such, for:

new vehicles - check with the dealer
older vehicle – check with the manufacturer

Until such time as your vehicle has been re-registered as a CDV (if appropriate) you should comply with the lower speed limits applicable to a goods vehicle. You will need written confirmation that the vehicle qualifies as a CDV from the manufacturer to accompany the re-registration application.

If your goods vehicle is registered as a CDV but it:

exceeds 2 tonnes maximum laden weight
does not meet any other of the criteria for a CDV

then it is incorrectly registered and you are not permitted to travel at the national speed limits. You must comply with the lower speed limits applicable to a goods vehicle.

As above please check the registration details with the dealer / manufacturer and re-register with DVLA as appropria

westward10 · Jul 7, 2017

Interesting read that Ruston so if I read it correctly my Caddy, apparently being a CDV but exceeding the two tonnes can still do 70 mph on motorways but is restricted on single and dual carriageways.

ruston · Jul 7, 2017

Yes if that is the weight restriction that applies .
Best to check though , not nice the letter lying on the floor lol.

static zap · Jul 8, 2017

Noticed that on camera stretches , many locals in cars get used to slowing !
(cos the think they are a 2 Tonne van )

LeeH · Jul 8, 2017

I got one doing 68, 100 pound fine and a speed awareness course. Luckily I did it over my xmas hols 5 mins from home so no hardship.

Anything over 2t (maybe 2.1 not sure now) it's the 50/60/70 rule. UNLESS it's a crew cab or mini bus. 60/60/70 (multi purpose vehicle)

So Astra van, bippa etc is 70. Connect, Caddy is 60 on dual carriageway.

A definition of a dual carriageway is where you cannot cross to the other side due to an obstacle e.g. Crash barrier or other speed restrictions apply.

If you can it's STILL single carriageway so it's 50 not 60.

Where blue signs are present motor way rules apply so it's 70 even if it's 2 lanes (dual carriageway but not)

HTH

Midwest · Jul 8, 2017

Suffice to say, unless your driving one of those miniature vans, which are no practical use, you have to stick with the 50-60-70 speed limits.

ANPR, through the registration number, also check for tax, insurance, (edit & MOT) vehicle or driver of interest or wanted, at time of detection. Speed cameras, similar check done later.

A friends friend got zapped, and fined £80 for not taxing her vehicle, albeit the taxation class was £0

ruston · Jul 8, 2017

Another thing to watch is that they are active all the time ,not just speeding triggered like the older ones . People have been caught using phones ,reading , and other cameras
are manned . They are watching you lol.

ruston · Jul 8, 2017

Another thing to watch is that they are active all the time ,not just speeding triggered like the older ones . People have been caught using phones ,reading , and other cameras
are manned . They are watching you lol.

Spunkywads26 · Jul 8, 2017

Sorry if we are covering old ground but I am finding a bit confusing.

I have a Ford Transit Courier, registered as a panel van but with a revenue weight of 1795KG. I assume i'm a van due to body type, but could I apply to re-register as a CDV?

Midwest · Jul 8, 2017

Spunkywads26 said:
Sorry if we are covering old ground but I am finding a bit confusing.

I have a Ford Transit Courier, registered as a panel van but with a revenue weight of 1795KG. I assume i'm a van due to body type, but could I apply to re-register as a CDV?

Doubt it. The Ford Transit Courier is not 'is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle'.

Here's another link to check;

Car-derived vans and dual purpose vehicles - GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles