The great pat testing scam

[Guest123]

i was supprised by the amount of people that pulled a face on the first day in the workshop on the 2330 when they had us doing plugs and commando plugs

That was my first day on the 2360 too.

 

[Phil]

funny how the noisy ones go quiet, and most of the ones complaining were in the trade and "i already know how to do a plug im not stupid" aaah how quick was that shown to be untrue

 

[Guest123]

We were all 16 year olds at the time and you can imagine most of their attitudes......this is boring......cant we do something else etc.


A lot did drop out after 2 weeks or so, and we were day release!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Burnt Fingers]

Its so common. I charge £2.00/appliance because I hate it but still have plenty of customers - we have an honest approach - test when required - and that can mean extending test periods if we have data to suggest frequency of use - and we repair at the time of test where required. I have seen companies just sticker everything and it makes me sick.

It will take an MP's relative to be injured before they tighten it up like Part P. At the moment anyone with a spare £200 can attend a bogus course and go off supposedly competent.

 

[RexT]

Hi Burnt Fingers,

Yes I believe you are right. It probably will take some thing like the death of an MPs relative to tighten it up. Isnt that how Part P started?
Best wishes
Rex

 

[Burnt Fingers]

Part P: I think - I might be wrong, originally was brought in to try and prevent kitchen fitters from running rings (or more likely radials and spur spurs) by shortest distance - you know, those diagonnal wild --- runs you see in kitchens and extensions.

This was shortly after the daughter of an MP (I think) was killed after trying to drill a hole in her kitchen a good way away from sockets.

I might be wrong like I say, but that story has stuck with me. I kinda hung up my sidecutters at Part P until now - most of part P is just good practice really - they should have just regulated kitchen fitters.

 

[UNG]

It will take an MP's relative to be injured before they tighten it up like Part P. At the moment anyone with a spare £200 can attend a bogus course and go off supposedly competent.

Sounds like Part P. Part P didn't tighten up anything apart from a tax loophole. I have seen to many BS 7671 non compliant installations done with part P notification to realise the previous government was part of the if you can't beat them join them culture and created a scam to remove money from hard working electricians pockets

What PAT testing needs is for a duty holder or two to be given the maximum sentence which I believe is £20,000 and/or 6months in one of the HM hotels for failing to provide the proper duty of care to their employees and allowing someone to be seriously injured

 

[Burnt Fingers]

Forgive my lack of understanding of Part P, UNG, I hung up my tools before then and went to communications...haven't seen any domestic since...

 

[RexT]

Hi UNG,

I think you are right. There does seem to be a money culture only and as you say, it is really down to how it is policed. Some very good points and well put.

Best wishes,

Rex

 

[Liberator]

Sounds like Part P. Part P didn't tighten up anything apart from a tax loophole. I have seen to many BS 7671 non compliant installations done with part P notification to realise the previous government was part of the if you can't beat them join them culture and created a scam to remove money from hard working electricians pockets

What PAT testing needs is for a duty holder or two to be given the maximum sentence which I believe is £20,000 and/or 6months in one of the HM hotels for failing to provide the proper duty of care to their employees and allowing someone to be seriously injured

" [FONT=&quot]The operator of the Docklands Light Railway (DLR) must pay nearly £500,000 in fine and costs after a
member of the public fell on the track and was crushed to death by a train.[/FONT]"

I see about 4-6 stories a week like this, highest fines I've seen for injory/death is £1million pounds, and prison sentences inline with manslaughter/murder.

This is since the Corporate Manslaughter / Corporate Homicide came into Act and would be the same for deaths caused due to negligent PAT testing.

These 50p a test boys will find themselves coming unstuck soon, and it won't be the clients being fined, it will be the PAT companies doing the work. Directors & Engineers.

At least Im confident I won't be finding my way there....... not only that, the additional cost in complying, and making sure I won't get into hot water causes increase in the cost of PAT testing.

Under old laws, The fines were £5,000 per offence (nothing states that 4 offences are the max, i.e. £20,000. I have spoken directly with magistrate and crown courts in reference to this a couple of years ago, but its all changed now)

Touch wood, I haven't been called in front of a Coroners Court, but its something we all have to be prepared to do, because we can all end up there, all it needs is for a death in a clients site, our fault or not. And if it was a fault on one of our systems of work, we have to prove everything was done right.