Accessible or inaccessible?

[Lucien Nunes]

the muppets make up wright the regs .its like the book of bull s**t the bible.

I'm not sure the people who write the regs are really muppets. The regs have flaws, I grant you, and like all standards are incomplete and always will be. But it is a massive challenge to write, in one book, a standard that covers every single situation, device, risk, method and safety feature found in electrical work throughout the country. You could write a whole book just on accessibility for maintenance. They have to deal with conflicting demands from different interested parties - legislators, manufacturers, electricians, architects - and come up with a compromise. Would you rather they left room for manoeuvre or dictated everything? 'Make nice joints' is too vague, 'The box shall be secured to the joist with two 3.5x25 gold-passivated countersunk woodscrews 20 +/-2mm above the plasterboard' is too prescriptive. Somewhere they have to find a balance, and in doing so they get called muppets...

My version is that if damage to decor or fitments might result or significant making-good is required after access, or it takes much longer to access than to check/correct the fault itself, then it's not accessible. I don't fit carpets, and I don't want to have to call a carpet fitter to refit a valuable carpet properly after I've gone poking around under it for a disconnect. Thankfully I don't touch domestics.

I also agree that a craftsman can make a sound, permanent, maintenance-free joint with a good quality screw terminal box, but given that either or both parts of that equation might be lacking...

 

[ipf]

I also agree that a craftsman can make a sound, permanent, maintenance-free joint with a good quality screw terminal box, but given that either or both parts of that equation might be lacking...

Well said Lucien. It works both way, though.
This was a rfc, wired in pyro with neutrals extended, in a Schneider 12 way 3 phase board, following upgrade to rcbo's .

 

[Wilko]

I've not seen a Wago melted before (from normal use ). It looks like a 773, which is rated at 24A and should be ok for RFC?

 

[Leader]

Looking closely it doesn't look like a wago. This one's got curved edges.

 

[Des 56]

Given a choice between a screw or push fit connection,whether the joint was under a floorboard or not,I would not use a push fit connector

I know nothing of them only through very limited use,however,via the little I have experienced,I have found there is no way I would be content to have a joint I made constructed with those connectors
If I used a screw connection I would be much more confident of its suitability and its performance

 

[ipf]

Given a choice between a screw or push fit connection,whether the joint was under a floorboard or not,I would not use a push fit connector

I know nothing of them only through very limited use,however,via the little I have experienced,I have found there is no way I would be content to have a joint I made constructed with those connectors
If I used a screw connection I would be much more confident of its suitability and its performance

I like the lever connectors and have used them. They are especially handy during fault finding...but I can't see them being a more solid connection than a properly fitted brass/copper/brass screw connector.

 

[telectrix]

yes but Electrical Trainee can push a wire in even if they can't tighten a screw properly. all part of the dumbing down. by the 21st edition, monkeys will be able to be electricians.

 

[Rpa07]

The industry must be preparing early by the payment of peanuts!

yes but Electrical Trainee can push a wire in even if they can't tighten a screw properly. all part of the dumbing down. by the 21st edition, monkeys will be able to be electricians.

 

[ipf]

yes but Electrical Trainee can push a wire in even if they can't tighten a screw properly. all part of the dumbing down. by the 21st edition, monkeys will be able to be electricians.

Yep....and robots doing all the fault finding

 

[telectrix]

Yep....and robots doing all the fault finding

nah. that job would need the extra intelligence of the gorillas.