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Why ever did you come back to this horrible place then as a sparky, after being in finance at Bloomberg then a teacher, and living in canada? answers on a postcard please..

Only spent a short time in Canada, checking the place out. Personal problems stopped me from going. As for Bloomberg, believe it or not, i found it immoral to work for and with such greed. You needed steel plate on you back to stop the knives. No loyalty amongst colleagues. Back in the real world, I find real friendship, laughter and loyalty amongst work colleagues. I feel more at ease with my true peers and i also prefer the physical stuff. Still teach where I work now, though only 4-8 hours per week. I enjoy the feeling of enlightening young lads with my knowledge. I've always had a big interest in electronics, the sciences, etc... and love to talk about it to students. No wonder i'm single!
 
Tony I agree with all you have said. Work has been put off and it will need doing probably just in time for an election.

On the wages side of things looking at this thread things are not good atm. I know this full well because I'm looking for employment myself. Seeing what is being paid in my area on every job web site going the average is £11 ph, but they want 2391 for this amount. Should be getting paid £15-£18 ph. I don't have the 2391 so I swallowed my pride and for the first time ever I went to the jib center and signed on so I could apply for extra training to get me back into work. I've just got back now from the training interview,
 
have witnessed sparks being offered 8 pounds an hour by an agency at a big meet up/recruitment open day, it was 8pounds take it or leave it, then the guy changed his mind and decided he didn't need any sparks after all as was going to shift people from elsewhere in the UK...
 
Back in the year 2000 when the SJIB rate wen up to £8.37 it was still a struggle to live, to run a house and a car especialy when we got shafted with expenses.
How can you be expected to live on that now?
You do wonder what the trade will be like in 10 years time as most sparks I know want out
 
have witnessed sparks being offered 8 pounds an hour by an agency at a big meet up/recruitment open day, it was 8pounds take it or leave it, then the guy changed his mind and decided he didn't need any sparks after all as was going to shift people from elsewhere in the UK...

What we all need to do is stick together on this. I assume that the sparks in this forum are fair many in number and influence in this industry. I know it's easy to say when your family need feeding, but we should only use agencies that pay a fair rate i.e. minimum JIB rates or higher, and only use the pee-takers as a very last resort, have no loyalty to them, and avoid them like the plague when things get better, which they will. Word needs to be spread that agencies are not a cheap alternative, as they charge the customer a fortune and pay the worker peanuts. If this is spread around the industry, then eventually all will get to know that they (the aforementioned pee-takers) are bad news. They are gutter resources and will only attract the same species. This can happen if we stick together. People! (said standing on a soap box) - have more pride in yourselves and show everyone that ours is a highly professional and responsible industry and demands the wages and respect it deserves. I remember during the severe snowstorms of 1987 in the South-East, shopkeepers who were selling milk at £1 a pint were avoided when things got back to normal and went out of business.

"A downtrodden class...will never be able to make an effective protest until it achieves solidarity." H.G Wells.
 
Tony I agree with all you have said. Work has been put off and it will need doing probably just in time for an election.

On the wages side of things looking at this thread things are not good atm. I know this full well because I'm looking for employment myself. Seeing what is being paid in my area on every job web site going the average is £11 ph, but they want 2391 for this amount. Should be getting paid £15-£18 ph. I don't have the 2391 so I swallowed my pride and for the first time ever I went to the jib center and signed on so I could apply for extra training to get me back into work. I've just got back now from the training interview,

Good luck with the extra training Paul. Do the 2391. It's damn hard, but when you pass it you will be full of confidence and think of yourself just that little more highly. Also, the knowledge gained will be useful at interviews. If you take the approach that this exam is going to be difficult, you will work extra hard for it, and this will help you. Also, it may be a good idea in these competitive times to specialise, in, say... microgeneration, entertainment systems, lighting, etc... All it needs is for you to buy a couple of books, magazines, use the internet, do a course of two, and advertise your speciality. It will get you noticed, and the challenge in the early years will excite you. I know many people who have started in this way. They don't even know, initially, that much about the subject they specialise in. Just panic a bit when the work comes in and learn very quickly. Maybe this is unethical, but top entrepreneurs do it all the time. So why shouldn't we!
 
Funk I like your way of thinking regards to the special fields, seen people on site for office lights then read the instructions and call the manufacturer for help.

As for the extra training to help me get back into work (ok I'm trying to get 2391 free) they don't have a clue themselves at the job center. "You've come in for the ermmmm 2391, is that the 17th?" Will it help you get a job? In my reply I asked her to look at their own job web site.90% of jobs require it. "Dont think you'll get it, costs to much". But they will spend £500 on someone's 17th but not the extra 150 quid for the 2391??? I don't like the system, its not realistic to peoples needs. Oh well I'll find an under paid job, save up and pay for it myself so when my wage increases therefore my tax contributions they win, you lose but what can I say without sounding................ (stop ranting before I say something that will land me into trouble)
 
Paul m.
Did my 2391 in 2007 in wales under Ila wales they paid first 200 quid .
Wouldn't bother with jobcentre they don't know anything,would try careers office though their not just for teenagers, they might point you at funding.
 
Kamikaze. Yes mate so did I. They only needed someone to cover local work whilst they sent half if their sparks away on a rewire, they just forgot to tell me or pay me. A lot of work for no money now going down to route of ccs, found out they use trades like this all the time, long story, I won't post any more.

Problem is no one is interested unless you have the 2391, loads of suitable jobs out there if I had it. I may become a male escort and report back what the average wage is, I bet the perks of the job are better
 
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Paul

I'm finding that a large % jobs being advertised are bullcrap, agencies are just taking names. Ive experienced this a few times now, so as a mate of mine who moved up to Lincolnshire last year.

The 2391 is a good paper to have, but Ill be honest with you, mine as not done me any real favours this year. Some people I know are still earning well, in with the right people without all the certs etc.

It got really tough in 1994 and feels the same right now. Back then there was no internet, so agencies could not flood job sites with bullcrap adverts just to get names on their books.

Whats ccs mean?
 
Unfortunately Paul, so do i think it's a great country. I only spent a short time in Canada, had plans to emigrate to Nova Scotia, was ready to go, but personal reasons stopped me from taking the leap. I now live in a nice place, see my son regularly, surrounded by friends and family and am pretty content. Where i live now has been home for most of my life, so doubt if i'd move away now. Home really is where the heart is.I work for a company, and do a bit of work outside to top up the wages. I'm seriously considering becoming self employed, but realise after reading this thread and others that we don't live in the best of times, so may build up the business while still employed.

My employed rate is about £15 per hour, but no overtime, etc... just a salary. For that i have to look after 14 buildings, PAT testing, intranet and data switches, phone network, teach electronics, fire alarms, organise outside contractors, fire risk assessments, unblock toilets, etc... Feel like i'm being used a bit. I feel like i could do this for myself and earn a lot more, though i know it's going to be hard work, and it does frighten me a bit. I've always been used to a salary.

On an optimistic level, i can see (and have seen it before a few times) that when there's a recession, things don't get done, but still need doing, and when we come out of this there will be a lot of work for us. Take Kent schools for instance. A report has found that 520 state schools in our county are in need of urgent repairs and a lot of these need rebuilds. This work has been put on hold, but will have to be done at some point in the future. Same applies to housing and new business startups that will all need our skills when they open up.

I can see, and it always happens just before an election, good times ahead on the jobs front. We should all grit out teeth, get through the next two years as best we can, and be ready for the gold rush. The one thing that does need sorting out though, is the confusion that PART P has bought into our industry. I personally would like to see the government take control and issue some kind of professional card which would only be issued to fully qualified tradesmen, either through qualifications and experience combined, or training and exams. My appprenticeship back in the early eighties was in electronics servicing, and i have C&G and EITB qual's, but have been doing commercial electrics for 20 years now, 10 with the MOD. Have 2391, 2377, 16th and 17th edition. I like to think i'm fully qualified, but others may beg to differ as i'm not JIB and didn't serve an electricians apprenticeship. Don't know what you think?

Sorry, going on a bit here, but i love the forum. I love the debates, the opinions, disagreements, sarcasm, etc... I find it as useful a tool as any i have in my toolbox. Great bunch of lads.

Tony.



I think in the domestic world we should have 2-3 levels only and each one able to sign off their own work. A kitchen fitter should be able to run new spurs etc and connect to board if required. Sign off etc. Its not rocket science. And would allow more people to get on with doing work legally.

I sometimes see electrical work as over complicated . I could repair cars without any formal training and it would be legal Then kill people having not done the brakes well etc !!

Just how many accidents /deaths are there a year from domestic electrical issues caused by electricians ?
 
I think in the domestic world we should have 2-3 levels only and each one able to sign off their own work. A kitchen fitter should be able to run new spurs etc and connect to board if required. Sign off etc. Its not rocket science. And would allow more people to get on with doing work legally.

I sometimes see electrical work as over complicated . I could repair cars without any formal training and it would be legal Then kill people having not done the brakes well etc !!

Just how many accidents /deaths are there a year from domestic electrical issues caused by electricians ?

If the kitchen fitter can fit a few spurs, then can I fit a work top, tile and do the painting?
 
of course. without wanting to do you down, there is an argument for being multi talented. Why NOT offer the whole service. I am a spark, but i don't leave the plastering of my chases up to others. Or the painting either. Offer the whole programme and increase your appeal.
 
Thats how i first started years ago. I was a "Decorative painter" (Fancy paint finishes and bloody great money !) Got asked to find someone to run in some 5 amp sconce bed lights. took 4 days to find a electrician to come. He charged a fortune and never made good. So another 2 days later to bond and skim.. Now i thought "that looked too easy" so started to do it myself and go to college etc
I win, I earn more, customer does not have to wait and its a lot cheaper all round. Also less people in the house .
 

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