Best type of lighting in stables

[Percyprod]

I have built a stable block consisting of two stables and a store. I have applied to have mains electricity installed, and as part p won't apply Iwill be wiring them myself. My question is do led strip lights have as much shadow as led floods. I have been using 12 volt floods, which are great but do cast shadows. I was thinking of fitting weather proof led strip lights, hoping they would be similar to the florescent strip lights. Any ideas?

 

[telectrix]

you could use T8 LED fittings ( same as fluorescents, but with LED tubes, or 600x 600 LED panels. these give a very good diffused light.

40W LED Panel Light - 600x600 - IP40 - LED Panel Lights - Commercial LED Lighting - https://trade.ledhut.co.uk/commercial-led-lighting/led-panel-lights/40w-led-panel-600x600mm-options-available.html

 

[Percyprod]

you could use T8 LED fittings ( same as fluorescents, but with LED tubes, or 600x 600 LED panels. these give a very good diffused light.

40W LED Panel Light - 600x600 - IP40 - LED Panel Lights - Commercial LED Lighting - https://trade.ledhut.co.uk/commercial-led-lighting/led-panel-lights/40w-led-panel-600x600mm-options-available.html

Just the info I wanted, didn't want to fork out on lights that were no better than the floods. I have a couple of 30 watt led floods at home, andthey are great, but do cast a shadow, which doesn't matter so much there. Thanks for your help.

 

[alamski]

+1 on telectrix's recommendations, depending on how open your stables are I'd go for weatherproof/anti corrosive fittings as they would be exposed to the outdoor weather.

5ft 48w LED Non Corrosive Weatherproof Fitting - IP65 - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/GLWPLED48.html

Something like this??

Al

 

[telectrix]

also, depends on the height of the roof/ceiling. if horse can reach to headbutt the fittings they will break.

 

[Percyprod]

also, depends on the height of the roof/ceiling. if horse can reach to headbutt the fittings they will break.

No, this will only be in the store. Thanks anyway

 

[Percyprod]

+1 on telectrix's recommendations, depending on how open your stables are I'd go for weatherproof/anti corrosive fittings as they would be exposed to the outdoor weather.

5ft 48w LED Non Corrosive Weatherproof Fitting - IP65 - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/GLWPLED48.html

Something like this??

Al

Yes, that's what I was thinking. Although all the wiring will be internal I still intend using weatherproof fittings and plastic conduit.

 

[telectrix]

if any wiring is where horses have access you must use galv. steel conduit. them nags can bite through pvc like butter.

 

[DPG]

Will you be testing and certifiying the install once complete?

 

[Percyprod]

No, no need

 

[Percyprod]

if any wiring is where horses have access you must use galv. steel conduit. them nags can bite through pvc like butter.

All conduit well out of reach even if they rear up

 

[DPG]

No, no need

No need to test?

 

[static zap]

Depending on what gets stored , furry critters like out of way places to scurry / ease access ... inspect any other plastics about for damage .
(Don't give Roland an easy route/
nor something to chew on=damage)

 

[telectrix]

No need to test?

well he's got a horse. bang test will do.

 

[DPG]

Good point Tel. At least he admits he's got a horse eh.

 

[Percyprod]

No need to test?

Where does it say I need to test?

 

[Percyprod]

Has been tested, conduit and fittings regularly checked. I am an electrician by the way.

 

[DPG]

Ah right - your OP says 'you will be wiring them yourself' so I assumed the new wiring would need testing. No worries.

 

[Percyprod]

Sorry should be clearer. Most of wiring done, tested as I go along, but mains not connected yet, and no light fittings on yet. Will be finishing wiring over next couple of days, mains due to be connected Monday. As it is a stable does not need certificate or testing by 17th edition registered sparks.

 

[DPG]

Sorry should be clearer. Most of wiring done, tested as I go along, but mains not connected yet, and no light fittings on yet. Will be finishing wiring over next couple of days, mains due to be connected Monday. As it is a stable does not need certificate or testing by 17th edition registered sparks.

I'm with you. Not sure about this bit though - all wiring systems should be tested on completion.

 

[telectrix]

it may not need notifying to LABC, but it does need a certificate . BS7671 reg. 610

 

[Percyprod]

No, BS7671 doesn't apply to it. I will test it as if it did, but only for my own satisfaction. No certificate required.

 

[DPG]

Why do you say the wiring regs don't apply to the installation?

 

[telectrix]

bollox. so what standard applies then?

 

[Percyprod]

Getting a bit off subject, but it's not a dwelling, it's a stable, BS7671 only applies to dwellings.

 

[Andy78]

Getting a bit off subject, but it's not a dwelling, it's a stable, BS7671 only applies to dwellings.

Absolute nonsense. It's building regs and the notification system you're thinking of, not the wiring regs.

 

[telectrix]

i think there must be a british standard relating to horse sh"t, or should it be bullsh"t?

 

[telectrix]

Getting a bit off subject, but it's not a dwelling, it's a stable, BS7671 only applies to dwellings.

on which planet is that?

 

[telectrix]

Getting a bit off subject, but it's not a dwelling, it's a stable, BS7671 only applies to dwellings.

 

[telectrix]

see section 705

 

[DPG]

I'm not convinced you are an electrician. Any electrician would know that the wiring regs do indeed apply, and that testing and certification is required.

 

[static zap]

I still thought an electrician had a duty to protect , people and live stock ?

(expensive horse's getting electricuted = bad for business)

 

[Percyprod]

Oh dear, seems like a little bit of knowledge and all that. The stable is in a field. No house on the land. No one lives in the stable, people that is, and it is not regularly occupied. It is therefore not a dwelling. BS7671 applies to dwellings, it says so clearly. If you think I am wrong, I will give you the name and address of my local council building control officer and you can correct him, as he confirmed the fact that BS7671 does not apply, and test and certificate was not required.

 

[Andy78]

A little knowledge and all that indeed ....... but not on the side of the forum.

Here are the specific exclusions to BS7671 listed in Part 1. Can you see stables in it ?

 

[Percyprod]

Static Zap, read my posts, the installation WILL be tested. I qualified as an electrician in 1965! Haha, still qualified enough to know how to test an installation, 50 years in the trade altogether, with local dno.

 

[Percyprod]

More to the point, can you show me where a building that is not a dwelling is covered? Unless it tells me that a non-dwelling is covered I couldn't give a hoot.

 

[telectrix]

BS7671 applies to all electrical installations subject to the exceptions given by any78
have a read of section 705. i believe horses come under the general scope of livestock, even if i prefer them in a plate with chips, mushrooms and a touch of garlic.

 

[Percyprod]

Only applies to buildings covered by the regs, such as agricultural buildings that house livestock. I'll go with the planning officer, suits me. My animals are safe, probably safer than if the wiring was done by some of the registered sparks whose work I've seen.

 

[telectrix]

such as agricultural buildings that house livestock

so what are stables if not to house livestock?

 

[Percyprod]

Still can't see stables mentioned, it's not commercial and it's not agricultural.

 

[DPG]

Face facts, it needs to comply with the wiring regs.

 

[Percyprod]

Once again, it's not agricultural

 

[DPG]

I give up.

 

[Percyprod]

Face facts, no it doesn't.

 

[telectrix]

stables come under the broader classification of agriculural and horticultural. just because the BS does not specifically mention stables per se.
polo mints are not advertised as containing a nitrogen/oxygen mixture, but we all know there's a hole in the middle, same as with your thinking.

 

[Percyprod]

So far only DPG had spoken any sense. Anyway, this time next week I will have my stables safely wired and connected to the mains. Certainly upset a few folk on here! Anyway, I'll agree to differ on the facts. I know I'm right, even if I'm not (and I am) so what? Life's too short to worry about details.

 

[DPG]

It's a bizarre concept that farms, farm buildings, cow sheds, chicken sheds, outbuildings should all be covered by the wiring regs, but for some reason stables specifically are excluded? Why on earth would you think that would makes sense?

 

[DPG]

It's a bizarre concept that farms, farm buildings, cow sheds, chicken sheds, outbuildings should all be covered by the wiring regs, but for some reason stables specifically are excluded? Why on earth would you think that would makes sense?

 

[DPG]

Enjoyed the argument though - always good to have a good debate.

 

[Andy78]

Still can't see stables mentioned, it's not commercial and it's not agricultural.

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You can quite clearly see from the picture that you have provided that your earlier assertion that BS7671 applies only to dwellings is complete twaddle.

This should be enough evidence to consider that your understanding of the wiring regulations may not be as good as you thought. Certainly enough to consider wiring to the requirements of section 705.