Brexit fallout

[Spoon]

I'm no maths wizard here but where did the extra 1% come from

haha. Not sure mate. Copied it form the site below.
How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday... and why - Lord Ashcroft Polls

 

[stevethesparks]

He always like to give 101% :drunk:

 

[HandySparks]

now that is good business, but you don't destroy peoples pensions by doing it. the stockbrokers do and yhey don't give a ---- who they ruin as long as they can make a killing for themselves.

Just for you, tel:
"The decision to leave the European Union is expected to claim its first victims today, when hedge funds and other financial institutions reveal deep losses suffered in the volatile markets on Friday."

Hedge funds ?wiped out? by vote to leave Europe | Business | The Times & The Sunday Times

 

[andyb]

The problem the remain campaign had was they made the economy central and how it's going to suffer if we leave (which it probably is) rather than making a case for how brilliant the EU is (tongue in cheek). The lesser of two evils was a risky strategy to play.

Agree with this, they ran a totally negative campaign, concentrated completely on what could go wrong with a brexit and never sold the EU at all.

I think they would have struggled to make a sound business case for the EU parliament because of the corruption, wacky decisions and egos of the EU politicians who have their own countries interests at heart.

I'm going to have to edit that.

I think they would have struggled to make a sound business case for the UK parliament because of the corruption, wacky decisions and egos of the UK politicians who have their own interests at heart.

 

[telectrix]

Agree with this, they ran a totally negative campaign, concentrated completely on what could go wrong with a brexit and never sold the EU at all.



I'm going to have to edit that.

I think they would have struggled to make a sound business case for the UK parliament because of the corruption, wacky decisions and egos of the UK politicians who have their own interests at heart.

at least. in the whole, they're british parliamentarians and can be held to account by us.

 

[Octopus]

Agree with this, they ran a totally negative campaign, concentrated completely on what could go wrong with a brexit and never sold the EU at all.

I think they would have struggled to make a sound business case for the UK parliament because of the corruption, wacky decisions and egos of the UK politicians who have their own interests at heart.

This puzzled me from the start.

You would have thought this would have been easy..........

 

[Marvo]

at least. in the whole, they're british parliamentarians and can be held to account by us.

Interesting you should say that. I was quietly wondering to myself if the house of commons, which is as pro-EU as you get, was actually going to accept the exit vote and pass the new laws required for the UK to exit the EU. The MP's know a gravy train when they see one and they're not going to be happy about missing out on all those lucrative Brussels jobs for the boys.

This is classic case of the commoners democratic vote catching everyone by surprise and going against what those with the money and power want. The only way they can stop the exit now is to move the goal posts so I see at least another referendum on the horizon before the UK actually leaves and believe me, they'll be a lot more prepared for the next one.

 

[Octopus]

Interesting you should say that. I was quietly wondering to myself if the house of commons, which is as pro-EU as you get, was actually going to accept the exit vote and pass the new laws required for the UK to exit the EU. The MP's know a gravy train when they see one and they're not going to be happy about missing out on all those lucrative Brussels jobs for the boys.

This is classic case of the commoners democratic vote catching everyone by surprise and going against what those with the money and power want. The only way they can stop the exit now is to move the goal posts so I see at least another referendum on the horizon before the UK actually leaves and believe me, they'll be a lot more prepared for the next one.

hum.... with Angela Merkel stating today that she wants to change the EU rules, so no more countries can leave, hardly sounds democratic.

This for me is about 2 things:

1. Lack of democracy - we can vote the UK Government out but we can't vote the EU law makers out

2. The Euro is destroying the lives of all the young people in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, etc - how long will it be before all these youngsters start taking matters into their own hands?

That aside, after all the "nasty" comments from the EU decision makers, do you really think a 2nd vote would be any different?

 

[Marvo]

I think the problem is going to come with the divorce settlement.

The UK wants all the benefits that come with the EU membership like preferential trade deals etc but doesn't want to share the workload of financially assisting the weaker member states via EU membership fees and helping with the migrant and refugee problem.

The EU obviously needs to nip in the bud any ideas of other member states exiting and isn't going to allow the UK to walk off into the the sunset with a handful of newly negotiated trade agreements without very large commitments and concessions from the UK regarding refugees and other thorny issues.

The way I see it is that everyone has their own agenda (politicians, MP's, business leaders etc) and will lie through their back teeth accordingly. The only exception is the stock markets, they have an agenda but at least it's a transparent one and they don't lie, they just react. When the world markets shed trillions in value at the prospect of the UK/EU exit it's a sign that doesn't bode well for either party in my opinion.

If the UK ever had a time where it needed strong and focused leadership, that time is now. If there was ever a time where the UK would benefit from a united front from Scotland, Ireland and Wales, that time is now. Unfortunately at the moment it has neither.

I suspect the UK won't want to negotiate with the EU on the issues such as refugees and EU isn't going to give the UK any meaningful trade agreements. The UK economy will suffer at least until it finds new trading partners or possibly until the EU starts falling apart, neither of which I'd hold my breath for.

I think in the longer term the exit may well be an advantage to the UK but I see a rocky road ahead at least for the next few years and maybe longer. So in answer to your question I also think that another exit referendum vote maybe in a year, after the divorce negotiations haven't been as fruitful as many had hoped for and a little of the negative economic impact has been felt, might well give a different result.

 

[Midwest]

I can kinda understand why Cameron decided to vacate the PM's office after the result of the referendum, and also see why Osborne decided not to run for the PM's job. It would have been a bit cynical running the country after their no campaign.

But I think it's a bit choice that Boris has decided not to run for Tory Leaders job, just because that idiot Gove chucked his hand in. After all those two and others convinced the majority of the populous to vote Leave.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want Boris for PM, but Gove is being accused of stabbing Boris in the back, I think Boris has stabbed the UK in the back IMO.

What with Labours debacle at the moment, we are starting to look a laughing stock.

I've just plucked one world news headline;

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/world/europe/boris-johnson-brexit-leaders-eu.html?_r=0

Leave camp, best get your act in order. :sad_smile:

 

[Midwest]

Come on you 'Leavers', there's been 35 views of this thread since I posted. Many of you were very vociferous of this thread, but it has gone silent now. What are your views now?

 

[telectrix]

my views are the same as they were back in 1974 ish when those traitors heath and wilson got us into the eu in the first place with all the lies.

 

[Dcf]

My own take on this was echoed by marvo.
now is the time to get the brains together ,cut out the petty party political point scoring and present a united plan that they all agree on to the people of this country.
in the long term I reckon it will be good for the country,short term not so good.
the eu will play hardball and puff their chest out,while behind the scenes get in a right old flap about how they are actually going to fund it!
its in everyone's interest to get it sorted out with a bit of decisive action needed on both sides.
whats really annoying me just now is the left wing liberal media everyone's a racist mantra.
3 neds on a tram in Manchester being arses to a guy is now a "hate crime" worthy of front page news.it normally wouldn't make local news I bet.
if we apparently wear a safety pin on our clothing it means we are immigrant friendly don't you know?
i also read a bit in the guardian(don't ask me why) where some nugget of a journalist bemoans the fact that the eu immigration policy is stacked in the favour of the White eu citizen rather than say someone from Bangladesh or Africa! No ****!
agendas are everywhere at the moment

Im off to stick some safety pins in my eyes

 

[Dcf]

https://youtu.be/tzNj-hH8LkY
id vote for this guy
what a fantastic speaker he is

 

[Adam W]

Come on you 'Leavers', there's been 35 views of this thread since I posted. Many of you were very vociferous of this thread, but it has gone silent now. What are your views now?

Have you seen the other thread on 'Brexit Fall outs'?
Before the election all the remain campaign seemed to be able to come up with was if you vote to leave then you're a racist, while the leave campaign pointed out how we weren't getting value for money from EU membership.

Since the result those who wanted to remain have taken to social media to lambaste those who voted to leave, branding them as racists, bigots, and worse; a lot of friendships have broken down over this because people discussed their political views in public.
Then there are the sore winners - the real racists who have taken the election result as a validation of their extreme views and taken to the streets to beat up the first brown person they see, shout at Polish children etc.

In short this has all turned very ugly.

So do I wish the result had been different? No, I still don't believe we should give in to bullies whether the bullies are EU bureaucrats, racists, or luvvies with megaphones, placards and twitter.

 

[telectrix]

a voice of common sense.

 

[Octopus]

So you REMAINERS were happy for the UK to be pulled into Federal Europe then........

 

[Darkwood]

Cameron was Pro EU, he said he had a strategy set up in case we voted leave, he honestly never considered it would happen and yes he did have one, 'do a runner'...

So Mid' you want feedback, we apart from all the PRO media with there nose out of joint trying to rally as much negative press as possible to make it look as 'I told you so', well there hasn't been anything except the Labour mess that has shocked or surprised me, the markets have reacted as predicted, the BoE has measures in place to protect the banking system and its clearly working, the FT100 Index has seen a few initial dips but given 5yrs data the index is above mean average, the pound although it saw a large drop has recovered over half its value of loss since and as its classed as a floating pound it is not all gloom and doom as export demands increase due the low pound as is normal and consequently imports will cost more but to the end user the prices on the shelf tend to balance out. As for moving forward, well due to the EU taking charge in most of our world trade deals and either blocking them or slapping tarriffs on them for a vested interest to avoid competion has left us with approx 40 Trade expert/negotiators, far less than we need as we used the EU's plentiful supply of experts, yeserday New Zealand offered to lend us some of their top Trade negotiators who have very good track records of cutting deals with many countries, they have also shown interest in moving forward with some kind of free trade deal with themselves and Australia as we withdraw from the EU, India prior to the vote also showed interest in setting up trade deals worth billions, these are deals that could never happen due to EU self presevation and anti competition stance, now the EU is playing a scare tactic game at the moment and been very public in expressing it, they are hitting a hard message of no access to free trade without free movement too as well as expressing we cannot cherry pick what we want, you may believe what you hear here but they have to be seen doing this as they need to ensure there isn't a domino effect across the member states which would end what we know as the EU, in reality the UK holds the best hand and traders and markets know this, this is reflected in the FT100 index quick recovery while the EU's stock market position continues to struggle, adding to this that over 100,000 jobs in germany's car industry are tied to the UK imports and is vastly greater than what we sell them then there is no way that they will risk a massive economical punch which will have very serious effects to germanys economy and jobs market, this is not just unique to Germany as we have the better hand throughout a majority of EU member states. When the article 50 is triggered we will see a large world interest to trade with us as already expressed with even Canada joining the queue as the EU blocked a trade deal between us last year because France said it was in direct competition with them so they vetoed the deal, what the EU and its members will then realise is we don't actually need them and they are all very well aware of this hence they are been very vocal about making it hard for us, this is so far from the truth it is strange they went this road but again it must be to stop the domino effect, well at least until Brussels passes new legislation that will block members from holding referendums of there membership (yes its already happening, don't you love their admiration for democracy).

Now don't get me wrong, whether we stayed in and get crippled by more red tape and limitations or left and went alone, both would see jobs losses, many forget the amount of jobs lost due to EU rulings and stealth deals like the Southampton Ford Van plant that the EU gave 80million to re-site to Turkey at the loss of thousands of jobs in the UK (yes that's Turkey and they say they are not fast tracking get them in the EU though all the evidence points that they are), the jobs losses on leaving are mainly hitting the big corporates, the EU parliment members, yes the ones nobody has ever heard of yet they actually just get paid to turn up and agree to ballots because every time we have disagreed or contended its been ignore on all 70+ occasions and not once has our contention ever changed or help rewrite anything (It's better to be in shaping the future, yeah whatever, it hasn't helped thus far).

We are in for a bumpy ride but I believe you cannot avoid all the potholes when you are heading for the smooth road of opportunities and growth.

 

[Octopus]

One thing I can be totally confident about being a "leave" voter - is that once we are free from EU control, if we don't like what the UK Government do - we can vote them OUT, and replace them.

The same can not be said of the EU....

 

[Midwest]

Off to sleep. Will read your replies tomorrow. None of you Brexiters make comment about Boris, your key leave politician. Sold us down the river.

 

[Midwest]

Cameron was Pro EU, he said he had a strategy set up in case we voted leave, he honestly never considered it would happen and yes he did have one, 'do a runner'...

So Mid' you want feedback, we apart from all the PRO media with there nose out of joint trying to rally as much negative press as possible to make it look as 'I told you so', well there hasn't been anything except the Labour mess that has shocked or surprised me, the markets have reacted as predicted, the BoE has measures in place to protect the banking system and its clearly working, the FT100 Index has seen a few initial dips but given 5yrs data the index is above mean average, the pound although it saw a large drop has recovered over half its value of loss since and as its classed as a floating pound it is not all gloom and doom as export demands increase due the low pound as is normal and consequently imports will cost more but to the end user the prices on the shelf tend to balance out. As for moving forward, well due to the EU taking charge in most of our world trade deals and either blocking them or slapping tarriffs on them for a vested interest to avoid competion has left us with approx 40 Trade expert/negotiators, far less than we need as we used the EU's plentiful supply of experts, yeserday New Zealand offered to lend us some of their top Trade negotiators who have very good track records of cutting deals with many countries, they have also shown interest in moving forward with some kind of free trade deal with themselves and Australia as we withdraw from the EU, India prior to the vote also showed interest in setting up trade deals worth billions, these are deals that could never happen due to EU self presevation and anti competition stance, now the EU is playing a scare tactic game at the moment and been very public in expressing it, they are hitting a hard message of no access to free trade without free movement too as well as expressing we cannot cherry pick what we want, you may believe what you hear here but they have to be seen doing this as they need to ensure there isn't a domino effect across the member states which would end what we know as the EU, in reality the UK holds the best hand and traders and markets know this, this is reflected in the FT100 index quick recovery while the EU's stock market position continues to struggle, adding to this that over 100,000 jobs in germany's car industry are tied to the UK imports and is vastly greater than what we sell them then there is no way that they will risk a massive economical punch which will have very serious effects to germanys economy and jobs market, this is not just unique to Germany as we have the better hand throughout a majority of EU member states. When the article 50 is triggered we will see a large world interest to trade with us as already expressed with even Canada joining the queue as the EU blocked a trade deal between us last year because France said it was in direct competition with them so they vetoed the deal, what the EU and its members will then realise is we don't actually need them and they are all very well aware of this hence they are been very vocal about making it hard for us, this is so far from the truth it is strange they went this road but again it must be to stop the domino effect, well at least until Brussels passes new legislation that will block members from holding referendums of there membership (yes its already happening, don't you love their admiration for democracy).

Now don't get me wrong, whether we stayed in and get crippled by more red tape and limitations or left and went alone, both would see jobs losses, many forget the amount of jobs lost due to EU rulings and stealth deals like the Southampton Ford Van plant that the EU gave 80million to re-site to Turkey at the loss of thousands of jobs in the UK (yes that's Turkey and they say they are not fast tracking get them in the EU though all the evidence points that they are), the jobs losses on leaving are mainly hitting the big corporates, the EU parliment members, yes the ones nobody has ever heard of yet they actually just get paid to turn up and agree to ballots because every time we have disagreed or contended its been ignore on all 70+ occasions and not once has our contention ever changed or help rewrite anything (It's better to be in shaping the future, yeah whatever, it hasn't helped thus far).

We are in for a bumpy ride but I believe you cannot avoid all the potholes when you are heading for the smooth road of opportunities and growth.

Darkwood, you need to précis your replies.

 

[Adam W]

Off to sleep. Will read your replies tomorrow. None of you Brexiters make comment about Boris, your key leave politician. Sold us down the river.

No he didn't, his side won the referendum.
I'd like to see Jeremy Corbyn snub his way out of the situation he's got himself into.

 

[Adam W]

Darkwood, you need to précis your replies.

I see - so you've asked for replies but now you can't be bothered to read them?

 

[Darkwood]

Darkwood, you need to précis your replies.

I'll dig some up links later although you asked for response!, heading out although the New Zealand offer was across the media although only those media outlets that are not Pro EU, really strange that the Pro's didn't want to report optimistic news?

As for the FT100 you can easily graph check the last 5 years with a quick google search, its good precis my posts but I touched on so much it would be a marathon of links but as I said I will try russle some up tomoz

 

[Midwest]

I see - so you've asked for replies but now you can't be bothered to read them?

I was too tie ties, reading them now though.

 

[Midwest]

I'll dig some up links later although you asked for response!, heading out although the New Zealand offer was across the media although only those media outlets that are not Pro EU, really strange that the Pro's didn't want to report optimistic news?

As for the FT100 you can easily graph check the last 5 years with a quick google search, its good precis my posts but I touched on so much it would be a marathon of links but as I said I will try russle some up tomoz

Can't knock for your responses, jus a bit long. Did read it though.

 

[Midwest]

I can kinda understand why Cameron decided to vacate the PM's office after the result of the referendum, and also see why Osborne decided not to run for the PM's job. It would have been a bit cynical running the country after their no campaign.

But I think it's a bit choice that Boris has decided not to run for Tory Leaders job, just because that idiot Gove chucked his hand in. After all those two and others convinced the majority of the populous to vote Leave.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want Boris for PM, but Gove is being accused of stabbing Boris in the back, I think Boris has stabbed the UK in the back IMO.

What with Labours debacle at the moment, we are starting to look a laughing stock.

I've just plucked one world news headline;

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/world/europe/boris-johnson-brexit-leaders-eu.html?_r=0

Leave camp, best get your act in order. :sad_smile:

I go back to my previous post. I know that this thread is about Brexit fallout, the referendums done and decision made, but I am a bit miffed to say the least Boris has deserted us.

If Remain had won and Cameron resigned (some would jump for joy!), I would be similarly peeved.

I see it like Moses leading the Israelites to the promised land, parting the waves and say 'I'm not coming with you!'.

Ultimately though, I'm quite pleased he's gone and the only truthful thing Gove has said in months/years was 'Boris isn't a leader', which Boris has proved with his deed.

 

[UNG]

After all those two and others convinced the majority of the populous to vote Leave.

Leave camp, best get your act in order. :sad_smile:

I think you are giving Johnson and Gove too much credit. The EU and it's attitude did more to bolster the leave campaign than they did. The EU has too many hidden agendas that a select few are working to. The remain set out it's stall with you know what we have as a member of the EU whilst ignoring where it will be in 10 - 20 years time if they continue on the current agenda they are working to, the EU is just a creeping 1984 style group but may be some like the domination style of some of the elitist member states

 

[Midwest]

I think you are giving Johnson and Gove too much credit. The EU and it's attitude did more to bolster the leave campaign than they did. The EU has too many hidden agendas that a select few are working to. The remain set out it's stall with you know what we have as a member of the EU whilst ignoring where it will be in 10 - 20 years time if they continue on the current agenda they are working to, the EU is just a creeping 1984 style group but may be some like the domination style of some of the elitist member states

Disagree. Whilst the more politically savvy, might have seen through either camps sandbagging or indeed genuinely knew the pros & cons for each side, there are a lot of people who didn't know what to make of the arguments either way, I include myself there.

In the end, I suppose most made an educated guess on which way to vote. The way each person came to that decision is debateable. But I think, some would of trusted the government, some just want out of EU full stop, economical consideration would of swayed either way, mitigating migrating was another pull and just 'trusting' a politician would have been another. Think that's how most GE's are won, i.e. Cameron v Miliband, Thatcher v Callaghan.

Therefore I think Boris did influence a lot of voters, he certainly attracted positive comments here from some members in the Brexit vote thread.

Anyhow, he's gone now, but I suspect he might turn up like a bad penny in a few months time posturing for some position, even might make another leadership bid in a few years time, if things go well for us outside the EU. Can hear it now 'I was the one that got us out of the EU'. Least Gove is open about his political manoeuvrings.

:shades_smile:

 

[Darkwood]

The link you provide Mid' is an article from the New York Times, now in the light that the majority of Americans don't actually understand our relationship with the EU and what has happened with our Brexit then with all respect I'll take the article with a pich of salt, even the President who butt licked Cameron as a favour didn't understand how we and the EU worked, therefore there input and comments have little bearing and all you need to do to clarify this is watch some Fox news snippets as apparently we have just left the UN.... its cringe worthy watching them trying to have intelligent discussions on American TV when some guests think we have left Europe too, let them stick to their own issues like that muppet Trump.

 

[andyb]

My 90 year old aunt voted out to "give Cameron a bloody nose" She didn't think we'd actually leave.

(Thanks for that auntie)

 

[telectrix]

intelligent discussions --- americans --- you must be joking. :44:

 

[tomspark93]

My 90 year old aunt voted out to "give Cameron a bloody nose" She didn't think we'd actually leave.

(Thanks for that auntie)

i must admit, I know a few people who voted out thinking that we wouldn't actually leave.

 

[UNG]

Disagree. Whilst the more politically savvy, might have seen through either camps sandbagging or indeed genuinely knew the pros & cons for each side, there are a lot of people who didn't know what to make of the arguments either way, I include myself there.

In the end, I suppose most made an educated guess on which way to vote. The way each person came to that decision is debateable. But I think, some would of trusted the government, some just want out of EU full stop, economical consideration would of swayed either way, mitigating migrating was another pull and just 'trusting' a politician would have been another. Think that's how most GE's are won, i.e. Cameron v Miliband, Thatcher v Callaghan.

Therefore I think Boris did influence a lot of voters, he certainly attracted positive comments here from some members in the Brexit vote thread.

Anyhow, he's gone now, but I suspect he might turn up like a bad penny in a few months time posturing for some position, even might make another leadership bid in a few years time, if things go well for us outside the EU. Can hear it now 'I was the one that got us out of the EU'. Least Gove is open about his political manoeuvrings.

:shades_smile:

I think to compare the outcome of a referendum to that of a general election is like comparing chalk and cheese. What you can expect from a general election is difficult to research as you are comparing a load of promises with no substance that soon turn into lies, with the referendum there was the EU's past and present to review and also the future agendas of the few who call the shots within the EU who now appear more than ever determined to destroy the UK for going against them.

To be honest I think Cameron did more for the leave campaign than Boris & co did as neither side fought with good coherent arguments all the debates where brought down to two points while ignoring the bigger picture

I don't think you needed to be politically savvy to see through the sandbagging it all started with Cameron's so called "reform" that was hardly mentioned during the campaign apart from the legal opinions as to whether it would stand or fall if we chose to remain couple that with Turkey's will they won't they be members of the EU anytime soon and Cameron's less than convincing responses. The remain campaign supporters that popped up at various times made comments that would make you think the EU was a massive pot of money dishing out big grants to UK organisations on an almost daily basis and research, scientific development and other supported organisations would cease to exist if we left. On the other side you had the confusion of how much do we really pay the EU and I don't even think the EU itself knows that one.

The whole result was really down to how you gathered the information to make that informed or not so informed decision on which way to vote as non of the mainstream debates really delivered answers

 

[Octopus]

The EU need to be careful ... if they decide to play hard ball and punish the UK, they will more than likely plunge the EU into recession..... which will be unhelpful to ALL of Europe, and potentially the world.

 

[telectrix]

The EU need to be careful ... if they decide to play hard ball and punish the UK, they will more than likely plunge the EU into recession..... which will be unhelpful to ALL of Europe, and potentially the world.

if they do, we would retaliate ( they sell more to us than we sell to them ). after a couple of years, the yanks might decide to help out. :aureola:

 

[Octopus]

if they do, we would retaliate ( they sell more to us than we sell to them ). after a couple of years, the yanks might decide to help out. :aureola:

With Merkel at the helm, I can't see this happening, she has an election next year and the UK accounting for 20% of their car production the last thing she wants is VW, Audi and BMW all on 4 day weeks

 

[telectrix]

me neither. just needs the germans to keep the froggies in line. then again, we buy a lot of renaults, peugeots, and citroens. god know why.

 

[Octopus]

me neither. just needs the germans to keep the froggies in line. then again, we buy a lot of renaults, peugeots, and citroens. god know why.

There are perfectly better cars produced around the world these days ......

 

[ruston]

That's a point overlooked with a lot of goods.

 

[Octopus]

The EU was all about protectionism for the French farmers..... and whilst this may seen sensible, having high trade tariffs on African food means these poor countries are priced out of selling their produce to the EU.... so their peoples come here instead.

Better to buy their produce and help their countries to develop and flourish.

 

[Midwest]

The link you provide Mid' is an article from the New York Times, now in the light that the majority of Americans don't actually understand our relationship with the EU and what has happened with our Brexit then with all respect I'll take the article with a pich of salt, even the President who butt licked Cameron as a favour didn't understand how we and the EU worked, therefore there input and comments have little bearing and all you need to do to clarify this is watch some Fox news snippets as apparently we have just left the UN.... its cringe worthy watching them trying to have intelligent discussions on American TV when some guests think we have left Europe too, let them stick to their own issues like that muppet Trump.

I just plucked that from a whole load of them. Hopefully, by the time Labour & Tories have picked a new leader, the rest of the world will be more worried by the forthcoming US Presidential election.

 

[silverfox1]

How do I feel now after Brexit, frustrated, annoyed, angry all spring to mind as our Machiavellian self serving, egotistical politicians do everything they can to keep us in the EU even after the leave vote. I feel betrayed by the conservative led leave EU campaign with Boris being shafted and obvious positioning of various politicians looking to get the best out of the situation for themselves with no regard for public opinion, talk of not invoking Article 50 until 2017 from Gove and May being backed to replace Cameron, what a shambles.
Cameron promised to honour a leave vote and invoke Article 50 but as usual from our leading politicians this was another lie, by resigning he has created a power struggle within the conservative party which is causing a distraction and the agenda they should really be concentrating on is being pushed back and delayed giving the pro remain time to regroup and install May as prime minister which in my opinion would be a disaster for the Brexit negotiations.


Meanwhile there are countries queuing up to do trade deals with the UK and even the EU are softening their stance on the Brexit negotiations.


I am still optimistic for our future if only the clowns at Westminster can get their act together and get the deal done.

 

[Midwest]

I think to compare the outcome of a referendum to that of a general election is like comparing chalk and cheese.

The whole result was really down to how you gathered the information to make that informed or not so informed decision on which way to vote as non of the mainstream debates really delivered answers

Think too much deference is given to the general publics understanding of politics, me included. Whilst I agree the debate and ideals between a GE & the simple question asked in the referendum, you can guarantee the deliberation process will be the same. Unless your Professor of Politics at the Astute University for Cunning, your chosen method will enviably be the same. From listening to the debates and making the logical judgement, all the way down to favourite coloured shirts or tokens in the tipping hat.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Where's Walley.

 

[Midwest]

Cameron promised to honour a leave vote and invoke Article 50 but as usual from our leading politicians this was another lie, by resigning he has created a power struggle within the conservative party which is causing a distraction and the agenda they should really be concentrating on is being pushed back and delayed giving the pro remain time to regroup and install May as prime minister which in my opinion would be a disaster for the Brexit negotiations.

I don't blame him for leaving someone else to conduct the negotiations. He campaigned to remain, and we voted to leave. If he conducted the negotiations, whatever the outcome, he would of been accused of fudging it.

PS, don't know what happened to the quote?

 

[Octopus]

I am still optimistic for our future if only the clowns at Westminster can get their act together and get the deal done.

Is that all 650 or just most of them?

 

[ruston]

Is that all 650 or just most of them?

The future ones too. Good ones are few and far between.

 

[Octopus]

The future ones too. Good ones are few and far between.

Agree 100%

For me MP's need to have lived in the Constituency for a minimum of 10 years and have at least 20 years work experience in the private sector.

I would go as far as to say, that existing MP's that don't meet the above criteria, should not be allowed to stand again.

There are far too many, in all parties, with little or no real experience of how we all live.

 

[ruston]

We have always had local MPs around our area , in the Labour Party anyway. (I can't vouch for the others)
I have to be honest though , I have never voted for any of them.
I have never had any confidence in them.

 

[Midwest]

Agree 100%

For me MP's need to have lived in the Constituency for a minimum of 10 years and have at least 20 years work experience in the private sector.

I would go as far as to say, that existing MP's that don't meet the above criteria, should not be allowed to stand again.

There are far too many, in all parties, with little or no real experience of how we all live.

Think Screaming Lord Sutch might have qualified then.