Exporting the earth?

[Engineer54]

Ahhhh, the sweet sounds of defeat, i knew i was right all along

Its true that persistence really does pay off

ONLY in your dreams antimatter; ....Only in your dreams!!!!! and you can take that to the bank!!! lol!!!

 

[antimatter]

ONLY in your dreams antimatter; ....Only in your dreams!!!!! and you can take that to the bank!!! lol!!!

I'll take it to my outhouse

 

[antimatter]

Broken neutral conductor

The neutral of a supply is often common to a large number of installations. In the (unlikely) event of a broken neutral, all the consumers on the load side of the break could have a combined neutral and earth potential of the same level as the phase system (240 V to earth). This situation could be very dangerous, because all earthed metalwork would be at 240 V above the potential of the general mass of earth.

To prevent such an event, the Electricity Supply Company connects its combined neutral and earth conductor to earth electrodes at frequent intervals along its run. Whilst this does not entirely remove the danger, it is much reduced. For example, the assumed earth resistance values show that the maximum possible potential to earth in this case would be 96 V. In practice, much lower resistance values for the earth connections will reduce this voltage. The Electricity Supply Company goes to very great lengths to ensure the integrity of its neutral conductor.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/5.6.3.htm

 

[antimatter]

Special requirements PME-fed installations

An installation connected to a protective multiple earth supply is subject to special requirements concerning the size of earthing and bonding leads, which are generally larger in cross-section than those for installations fed by supplies with other types of earthing. Full discussions with the Electricity Supply Company are necessary before commencing such an installation to ensure that their needs will be satisfied. The cross-sectional area of the equipotential bonding conductor is related to that of the neutral conductor as shown in {Table 5.9}Table 5.9 - Minimum cross-sectional area of main equipotential

----------------- bonding conductor for PME-fed installations
Neutral conductor c.s.a. (mm²) Main equipotential bonding conductor c.s.a (mm²)
35 or less 10
Over 35 and up to 50 16
Over 50 and up to 95 25


Danger can arise when the non-current carrying metalwork of an installation is connected to the neutral, as is the case with a PME-fed system. The earth system is effectively in parallel with the neutral, and will thus share the normal neutral current. This current will not only be that drawn by the installation itself, but may also be part of the neutral current of neighbouring installations.

It follows that the earth system for an installation may carry significant current (of the order of tens of amperes) even when the main supply to that installation is switched off. This could clearly cause a hazard if a potentially explosive part of an installation, such as a petrol storage tank, were the effective earth electrode for part of the neutral current of a number of installations. For this reason, the Health and Safety Executive has banned the use of PME in supplies for petrol filling stations. Such installations must be fed from TN-S supply systems (RSE booklet RS(C)41
- 'Petrol Filling Stations: Construction and Operation').

 

[antimatter]

And remember electricians, don't have nightmares, have nice dreams about a PME earthing system with an outbuilding with extraneous metalwork that is connected to an earth electrode.

zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz

 

[antimatter]

ah the old lost supply neutral again. common as rocking horse s++t. happens every day.

This situation could be very dangerous, because all earthed metalwork would be at 240 V above the potential of the general mass of earth.

Common - not, Dangerous - very.

Do you want to take that chance? its your name on the paperwork, not mine.

 

[Dean182]

This situation could be very dangerous, because all earthed metalwork would be at 240 V above the potential of the general mass of earth.

Common - not, Dangerous - very.

Do you want to take that chance? its your name on the paperwork, not mine.

Which is why equipotential bonding is very important, providing the installation has an RCD and the above happens, and all equipotential bonding is in place and resistance is 1667ohms or lower the RCD will operate.

 

[antimatter]

Which is why equipotential bonding is very important, providing the installation has an RCD and the above happens, and all equipotential bonding is in place and resistance is 1667ohms or lower the RCD will operate.

Do you mean supplementary bonding conductors?

Equi-potential is 16th Edition terminology and if used in an exam, would result in a fail.

Source
Chied Examiner - City and Guilds

 

[IQ Electrical]

Every time I read of the mass deaths from broken supply neutrals on exported TN-C-S system, I will think of you.

You should contact BBC Watchdog with your findings, you are a national hero of electrical engineering and I am turning to landscape gardening to contemplate my ignorance.

 

[antimatter]

Every time I read of the mass deaths from broken supply neutrals on exported TN-C-S system, I will think of you.

You should contact BBC Watchdog with your findings, you are a national hero of electrical engineering and I am turning to landscape gardening to contemplate my ignorance.

as you say Do it once, do it right....