It's getting worse

[Midwest]

Fair enough if they want to show the kids the gun, but why on earth did they take one that was loaded?!

Can't see any reasoned argument, why a police firearms unit would want to exhibit a firearm to school children at all.

 

[Midwest]

No. What were they saying?

Confer with Murdoch, didn't see the programme and don't see anything obvious on the web site, you'll have to spoon feed us sean.

 

[sean_ork]

what's more disturbing is an engineer tackling the knife muppet, getting cut, while several fit men videod the incident on mobiles instead of pitching in themselves and aiding in restraining the lunatic.

I suppose their defence will be that they wanted footage to aid the prosecution, being able to add a bit of traffic to their utube channel is probably closer to the reality.

It's an odd world we live in.

 

[sean_ork]

Confer with Murdoch, didn't see the programme and don't see anything obvious on the web site, you'll have to spoon feed us sean.

I'll give it a few hours, see if anyone who watched it has a thought - I'll just get blamed for biased reporting

 

[Midwest]

what's more disturbing is an engineer tackling the knife muppet, getting cut, while several fit men videod the incident on mobiles instead of pitching in themselves and aiding in restraining the lunatic.

Come on Tel, that attitude happens all the time and is nothing new. Sad reflection on society, but that's homo sapiens for you, nothing to do with me someone else will sort it.

 

[Octopus]

I'll give it a few hours, see if anyone who watched it has a thought - I'll just get blamed for biased reporting

Nothing wrong with that. The BBC do it all the time!

 

[Midwest]

Is it the attacker had mental health issues?

 

[sean_ork]

Nothing wrong with that. The BBC do it all the time!

Maybe, its all about balance

 

[Octopus]

Maybe, its all about balance

Not sure you can use BBC, News and balance in the same sentence!

 

[Midwest]

Not sure you can use BBC, News and balance in the same sentence!

Channel 4 are any better? Never let the truth get in the way of a good story (MT)

 

[sean_ork]

Not sure you can use BBC, News and balance in the same sentence!

That's a thread for the Guardian readers forum, or maybe they just chat about PLCs and 3 day electricians there as well

 

[Midwest]

Perhaps for some balance, story from my area; Man stabbed to death in Abingdon Poundland store - BBC News

 

[sean_ork]

Perhaps for some balance, story from my area; Man stabbed to death in Abingdon Poundland store - BBC News

I wonder how many have jumped to the conclusion that this another ISIS or Syria related event ?

 

[Midwest]

Just imagine a world without social media, internet, 24hr news channels.The price we pay for freedom of information. ''Democratic nations must try to find ways to starve the terrorist and the hijacker of the oxygen of publicity on which they depend'' (Mrs MT 1981).

 

[sean_ork]

Just imagine a world without social media, internet, 24hr news channels.The price we pay for freedom of information. ''Democratic nations must try to find ways to starve the terrorist and the hijacker of the oxygen of publicity on which they depend'' (Mrs MT 1981).

starve them of food as well

 

[Midwest]

I wonder how many have jumped to the conclusion that this another ISIS or Syria related event ?

Quite frankly, I think they are all mad. What sane person could do such things.

 

[sean_ork]

Leytonstone Tube stabbing accused Muhaydin Mire's family contacted police three weeks before attack over 'mental health concerns' | Crime | News | The Independent

 

[Englishman]

I wonder how many have jumped to the conclusion that this another ISIS or Syria related event ?

We'll probably none because, unlike the Leytonstone piece of scum, that murderer didn't shout out "this is for Syria" when he stabbed the poor bloke.

 

[Diddy]

Thoughts on is it time to arm most/all of the police ?
No.
If you want reasons just quote some of the many legitimate reasons which have been deemed to be nothing to do with the thread.
Does it work in other countries who isis or whoever have a gripe with ? Nope - plenty of evidence that armed ordinary police have no effect in situations where lone attackers or very small off radar groups get together and launch an attack - the police just can't cope weather it is here or anywhere else. Even countries who arm all their police - they all as far as I can see cordon off and contain while the "specialist" teams arrive. In the UK in the past that job has been SAS and or armed response units. Ordinary police can't be reliably trained up to the required skill level and then just left to it.....
What should we do - well spending money on beefing up things like intelligence officers, Beef up our SAS and have units spread around the country, Employ and train more armed response units so that each force has an on call service if deemed needed.

Other than that - cut off the supply chain - that would have much more effect than fighting them on the streets. Starve them of cash and arms. I like the idea of a reward for successful prosecution of say hate preachers or potential terror group leaders from within the community. When identified the targets could be watched super closely and real evidence and co-conspirators could be swooped up and then the reward paid....if evidence is dud - then the target need never know anything ever happened.

So yes more security - no to armed police.

 

[YoungScud]

This is the problem with the loony left.

Whenever anything is mentioned about Muslim terrorism, they bang on about white murderers, or food banks, or some other rubbish. And just completely ignore the actual subject that is being discussed.

And Sean, NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THAT SO NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS ON THOSE MATTERS.

If you want to discuss your nonsense, start a thread about it and discuss it in there.

Run! It's the forum police! He might be armed!

Look, I've sat and read just about every post in this thread. We have an OP irate at what he sees as Sean hijacking his original post, when in actual fact, it's that post which has hijacked the truth of the Leytonstone stabbings.

This incident had nothing to do with ISIS or Islamic (or for that matter, any other kind) of terrorism. It's a nut job, armed with a kitchen implement, who happened to shout about something he'd read in the news. His family tried to warn the authorities about him, but nothing was done. Well, we've tried arming our police. Ask the family of Jean Charles de Menezes how that worked out. At our airports, we have coppers armed with Heckler & Kock 9mm machine guns capable of firing 3,000 rounds per minute. Bet that makes you feel safe, at least until you stop and think about that rate of fire. In 2003, Blair sent tanks, yes, tanks, to Heathrow to support a security operation after intelligence (oxymoron?) suggested a terrorist threat. What were they going to do when a couple of nutters opened up with Kalashnikoves? I shudder to think.

So, as you've probably gathered, I think arming the police even further is a terrible idea, given the history of armed police, particularly the Met and Northern Ireland. Instead, and this is what we seem unable to contemplate, we should start to think about the root causes and our role in bringing some of this on ourselves. I hold no special hope that this will happen, but one can dream.