Joining existing cooker cable

[clematis432]

Hi, neighbour has asked me if I would move his cooker control switch for him. Since new position of it is further away,this would require joining existing cable via JB or, as is preferable, running a new cable. Running a new cable is a fairly big job,so do the regs allow a JB to be used in this case. Cable is twin and earth 6mm. Thanks

 

[westward10]

Not deemed a suitable luminaire coupler according to 7671 either

 

[ipf]

I agree that the 20 amp junction boxes are accessible. However they have no cable restraint and are meant to be fixed in place.

Install them well and properly and the cables won't move. Plenty just can't do it.....from what I find.
The main reason for MF (besides money issues) is bad installation practice.

 

[westward10]

Have a gander at Reg 559.5.1 to see what are correct luminaire couplers.

 

[ipf]

Have a gander at Reg 559.5.1 to see what are correct luminaire couplers.

With respect. Have a gander at some I did forty odd years back.....not the slightest problem and never had any.

 

[SJD]

I needed to join a cooker circuit today, due to moving a consumer unit. I used a Wago IP68 box, which is rated up to 41A (with appropriate connectors).

I put two glands for T&E in one of the flat sides. The box is somewhat overkill for where it was going (bungalow loft) but was fairly quick to fit.

Screwfix sell them, see: https://www.NoLinkingToThis/p/wagobox-ip68-junction-box/7553R

 

[Andy78]

I needed to join a cooker circuit today, due to moving a consumer unit. I used a Wago IP68 box, which is rated up to 41A (with appropriate connectors).
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I put two glands for T&E in one of the flat sides. The box is somewhat overkill for where it was going (bungalow loft) but was fairly quick to fit.

Screwfix sell them, see: https://www.NoLinkingToThis/p/wagobox-ip68-junction-box/7553R

60A Click coffin would have been good for that job

60A Junction Box - https://www.toolstation.com/60a-junction-box/p98775

 

[SJD]

60A Click coffin would have been good for that job

60A Junction Box - https://www.toolstation.com/60a-junction-box/p98775

I happened to have some of the Wago IP68 boxes, but perhaps I should keep one of these 60A boxes in my supplies for next time.

 

[clematis432]

I needed to join a cooker circuit today, due to moving a consumer unit. I used a Wago IP68 box, which is rated up to 41A (with appropriate connectors).
View attachment 47415
I put two glands for T&E in one of the flat sides. The box is somewhat overkill for where it was going (bungalow loft) but was fairly quick to fit.

Screwfix sell them, see: https://www.NoLinkingToThis/p/wagobox-ip68-junction-box/7553R

Best post so far for good advice IHO, think thats the way I,ll go. Appreciate all replies.

 

[freddo]

Really miss the Line eggs. I still have a couple rattling about somewhere.

Got any photos? Not a product I know but the name rings a bell.

 

[haj]

Wago do 6mm connectors but I dont think 2x 6mm cables will fit into a wagobox. Crimp or solder connections.

Yep wagos and wago box

 

[haj]

They are only rated for MF when used within their Wagobox enclosures, a type tested thing I think.
You're never getting 2 x 6mm twins in one of those boxes though.

Oh yes you can wago box And they even do a wogo box XL now

 

[SJD]

Oh yes you can wago box And they even do a wogo box XL now

The Wagobox XL is only rated to 32A and connectors up to 4mm2. I've used these and found them really more suited to lighting circuits, instead of having 2 or 3 smaller boxes. The larger connectors won't fit into the internal slots.

 

[rolyberkin]

You can fit the push fit red wago connectors into a standard wago box, they are rated to 41 amp it is a bit of a squeeze though. The 6mm cable will go into a standard wago if you remove the black cable grips (which you don't need with a 6mm cable as the side grips hold it in place) However I have used the click boxes in the past which are also good.

 

[Andy78]

Got any photos? Not a product I know but the name rings a bell.

One I found while clearing out the van today.

The two halfs push and twist together, then can be secured with a cable tie round the middle to prevent tool-less opening.
Cables enter through the ends, which are also threaded 20mm holes, then can be secured with cable ties with the struts at the ends.

Great product. Shame they didn't last.

 

[telectrix]

rooting through my bits and bobs box. i have a half a one. just like a lot of males. it's seeking a compliant female.

 

[freddo]

I remember them now! Used to see them advertised, but have never used one. I still prefer the 60A junction box though. MK do a nice 30A junction box that will accept 4x 6.0mm cables. Neither are MF though.

 

[davesparks]

Will that still be considered MF ipf? like the idea, but just questioning the vaugeries of the rules.

No, but a crimped connection doesn't require an MF enclosure, it is one of the alter alternatives for an inaccessible connection.
If I remember correctly the options are:
MF joint
Crimped connection
Soldered connection
Resin encapsulated connection

 

[sheppertonspark]

Use Ashley J803 0r 804. Bin the connectors inside and replace with insulated through crimps. Complies with regs. Maintenence free, cables secured against strain at their terminations, non flame propogating enclosure. However I only use this method if it's really hard to rewire. Rewire is the safest option. If the neighbour has won the lottery you could fit an AFFD and sleep soundly LOL

 

[Midwest]

Use Ashley J803 0r 804. Bin the connectors inside and replace with insulated through crimps. Complies with regs. Maintenence free, cables secured against strain at their terminations, non flame propogating enclosure.

Not so sure about that, altering a manufactured product to suit.

Reg 526.3 (vi) Equipment complying with BS5733, for a maintenance free accessory & marked with the 'MF' symbol & installed in accordance with the manufactures instructions.

Connexbox only give their Wagobox an MF status, when using their Wago 222 and 773 connectors.

Altering the Ashley box, as suggested, would not keep its MF status, IMO.

 

[Andy78]

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[Pete999]

So I could do a solder/crimp join without a JB ( it would be underfloor)

Will it be accessible, will it be MF?

 

[EbolaSideRoom]

I’d go with
1) re-wire circuit as 1st choice.
2) use 60 amp JB (see above) and ensure it is in accessible location
3) there is no third thing.

 

[a-z electrics]

They are only rated for MF when used within their Wagobox enclosures, a type tested thing I think.
You're never getting 2 x 6mm twins in one of those boxes though.

Yes they do a bigger size of box bow..

 

[a-z electrics]

Now even..

 

[sweet212]

Wagobox XLA is rated to 41Amps.
They also make connectors for up to 6mm cable (773 series) and are also rated up to 41Amps.

I have used the connectors a few of times now.

https://www.NoLinkingToThis/p/wagobox-xla-junction-box/412ft#product_additional_details_container

 

[happysteve]

2x 6mm goes fine into a regular Wagobox (use 2x 773-173 + 1x 773-102).

 

[Markyd]

Wago do 6mm connectors but I dont think 2x 6mm cables will fit into a wagobox. Crimp or solder connections.

What about a wiska box

 

[Markyd]

Thought that, I could use a metal 150mm x 150mm JB with stuffing glands then ?

What about a wiska box