New sub board for shed swa advice.

[Dave OCD]

Because it is in the HOUSE and running through the fabric of the HOUSE and in the HOUSE equipotential zone...because it’s an extraneous conductive part.....and not with a strap but with an SWA gland 134.1.1

Look you clearly don't seem to realise [or care] that there are many well qualified,highly experienced and dedicated professional electricians on this forum. Nowhere has it been suggested using a strap instead of an SWA gland, although this was common practice for many years and I'd imagine considered acceptable at one time. Of course the armour must be connected to earth, you do realise that we're talking about situations where a seperate CPC is used within the cable ? But I still say that it doesn't state anywhere that the armouring MUST be earthed at the supply end. I've had enough of this nonsense now and won't post any more on this thread.

 

[bigbob1]

So where does it say in the regs you run can export the DNO earth?!

What’s your membership number?

1100194966

 

[sparksburnout]

I think big bad bob has been educated beyond his intelligence, as a mate of mine used to say. he obviously does not operate in the real world, out there. The world of sheds, and things.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Lol, don’t want to make a big thing about it, but it appears I’ve been a member for a lot longer than you.

 

[bigbob1]

Lol, don’t want to make a big thing about it, but it appears I’ve been a member for a lot longer than you.

It appears you are 2 digits short of an IET membership number. On your card what is your area number?

 

[sparksburnout]

Anyway where is this place we are exporting things to? Will we be able to export them when we leave the EU? Arghhhhhh..........
Or did you mean extending??

 

[bigbob1]

Look you clearly don't seem to realise [or care] that there are many well qualified,highly experienced and dedicated professional electricians on this forum. Nowhere has it been suggested using a strap instead of an SWA gland, although this was common practice for many years and I'd imagine considered acceptable at one time. Of course the armour must be connected to earth, you do realise that we're talking about situations where a seperate CPC is used within the cable ? But I still say that it doesn't state anywhere that the armouring MUST be earthed at the supply end. I've had enough of this nonsense now and won't post any more on this thread.

An extraneous conductive part in a house doesn’t need bonding to earth.......kind of invalidated most of your last and final comment.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

My membership No. dates back to the IEE.

 

[bigbob1]

Anyway where is this place we are exporting things to? Will we be able to export them when we leave the EU? Arghhhhhh..........
Or did you mean extending??

Oh you call it extending? How very modern.

 

[Dave OCD]

I'll have to reply again, what I'm saying is it CAN be connected to earth at the far end - as long as it's connected. You're clearly less intelligent than you think you are.

 

[bigbob1]

My membership No. dates back to the IEE.

What’s your area code?

 

[sparksburnout]

Oh you call it extending? How very modern.

Yep, well you have to try and keep up, or life will just pass you bye.....

 

[bigbob1]

I'll have to reply again, what I'm saying is it CAN be connected to earth at the far end - as long as it's connected. You're clearly less intelligent than you think you are.

That would make it ‘earthed’ yes.
But then you have an extraneous conductive part in the house that’s not at the same potential as the house. How intelligent does that make you feel?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What’s your area code?

No idea.
My IEE membership card does not have an area code.
If the IET membership card they sent me does, I don’t know, I have just looked in the wallet I use to keep old and unused cards, although it contains my blockbusters card, ITS discount card, walkabout discount card and some others, the IET card is not in there.

 

[bigbob1]

Yep, well you have to try and keep up, or life will just pass you bye.....

Time flys.....

 

[bigbob1]

No idea.
My IEE membership card does not have an area code.
If the IET membership card they sent me does, I don’t know, I have just looked in the wallet I use to keep old and unused cards, although it contains my blockbusters card, ITS discount card, walkabout discount card and some others, the IET card is not in there.

It’s okay. When I get in the office Monday I will check.

 

[bigbob1]

No idea.
My IEE membership card does not have an area code.
If the IET membership card they sent me does, I don’t know, I have just looked in the wallet I use to keep old and unused cards, although it contains my blockbusters card, ITS discount card, walkabout discount card and some others, the IET card is not in there.

It’s okay. When I get in the office Monday I will check for you no problem.

 

[Dave OCD]

That would make it ‘earthed’ yes.
But then you have an extraneous conductive part in the house that’s not at the same potential as the house. How intelligent does that make you feel?

Why would it be at a different potential when it's connected to the cable CPC which is in turn connected to the MET at the house ? Dear me this is so tiresome.

 

[sparksburnout]

It appears you are 2 digits short of an IET membership number. On your card what is your area number?

Did you mean 2

That would make it ‘earthed’ yes.
But then you have an extraneous conductive part in the house that’s not at the same potential as the house. How intelligent does that make you feel?

Wow. I usually go out of a Saturday night to a gig, but there's not one on tonight. I didn't realise how dangerous an existence I have been living in this place full of extraneous parts. Makes the dudes at some of the gigs look positively down to earth. Earth???

 

[bigbob1]

Why would it be at a different potential when it's connected to the cable CPC which is in turn connected to the MET at the house ? Dear me this is so tiresome.

So you openly admit to taking the distribution operators provided earth connection outside of the equipotential zone it serves......you should not be giving people advice on a public domain that is clear.

 

[bigbob1]

Did you mean 2

Wow. I usually go out of a Saturday night to a gig, but there's not one on tonight. I didn't realise how dangerous an existence I have been living in this place full of extraneous parts. Makes the dudes at some of the gigs look positively down to earth. Earth???

That’s Terra-ble

 

[Dave OCD]

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So you openly admit to taking the distribution operators provided earth connection outside of the equipotential zone it serves......you should not be giving people advice on a public domain that is clear.

Where did I say [or "admit" in your words] that I've done this ??
I'd say you'd be better off getting back under your bridge, it's getting late.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

John Ware (Senior Engineer in the IET’s technical compliance department) wrote an article in Wiring Matters (Autumn 2005) regarding supplying outbuildings.
I suggest you have a read of it: https://electrical.------.org/media...tdoors-a-supply-to-a-detached-outbuilding.pdf
Pretty certain that if there is a prohibition against exporting a PME earth, he would not advise doing so.

 

[sparksburnout]

I admit it, I've taken those earth's out of their zones, into the oblivion of sheds and summerhouses and.....other places. I don't know what became of them, and I might live to regret it. I'm not going to stop in of a sat'dy night again if this is what it's like.

 

[bigbob1]

Why would it be at a different potential when it's connected to the cable CPC which is in turn connected to the MET at the house ? Dear me this is so tiresome.

^^ so either you have done this or promote this, we are discussing supplying a ‘shed’. Or you are the troll and might I add, a very weak one.

 

[Toneyz]

ditto. Being a member of the IET and registered with the engineering council has its perks.

Can you get me a free regs book then?

 

[telectrix]

If anyone can think of any other use for an SWA gland other than being on the end of an SWA cable then please feel free to share your stupidity with all.

easy. you can fix the gland onto a nice hardwood box, stick a candle in the top and have a nice table lamp. alternatively, you can shove it up a kitchen fitter's arse.

that 2 alternative uses.

 

[sparksburnout]

Yes, I have connected loads of sheds and suchlike to the DNO provided earth. Why wouldn't you? What would you do, provide them with a substandard TT system when there is no need? Do you actually operate in the real world out there or are you just a pencil squeezer?

 

[Dave OCD]

Why would it be at a different potential when it's connected to the cable CPC which is in turn connected to the MET at the house ? Dear me this is so tiresome.

^^ so either you have done this or promote this, we are discussing supplying a ‘shed’. Or you are the troll and might I add, a very weak one.

I'm certainly not one of those, I think people can make their own minds up on who could well be though. How about a weatherproof socket fixed externally back to back with an indoor one. Should this have a seperate earth rod too ? I very much doubt that you have very much practical experience, if any at all.

 

[sparksburnout]

easy. you can fix the gland onto a nice hardwood box, stick a candle in the top and have a nice table lamp. alternatively, you can shove it up a kitchen fitter's arse.

that 2 alternative uses.

I can think of another arse you could shove it up?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

What an unbelievably daft turn this thread has taken, why are you guys humouring this numpty?

 

[sparksburnout]

What an unbelievably daft turn this thread has taken, why are you guys humouring this numpty?

Sorry, your right. Should have gone out, even if it was to see a Slade tribute

 

[bigbob1]

John Ware (Senior Engineer in the IET’s technical compliance department) wrote an article in Wiring Matters (Autumn 2005) regarding supplying outbuildings.
I suggest you have a read of it: https://electrical.------.org/media...tdoors-a-supply-to-a-detached-outbuilding.pdf
Pretty certain that if there is a prohibition against exporting a PME earth, he would not advise doing so.

ER G12 section 6. Enjoy.

 

[bigbob1]

John Ware (Senior Engineer in the IET’s technical compliance department) wrote an article in Wiring Matters (Autumn 2005) regarding supplying outbuildings.
I suggest you have a read of it: https://electrical.------.org/media...tdoors-a-supply-to-a-detached-outbuilding.pdf
Pretty certain that if there is a prohibition against exporting a PME earth, he would not advise doing so.

ER G12 section 6. Enjoy.

Can you get me a free regs book then?

£82 osg and bs7671
Maybe a stress reliever/squeeze book thing if I ask?!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What is ER G12?

 

[johnduffell]

Is this outbuilding in a neighbour's field or something? If not It's hardly exporting the earth. As far as the dno is concerned you can treat your whole garden, an acre if you have it as an equipotential zone, then mesh under the soil to bond it all.
That's basically what they do in substations to make a zone. They just don't want two neutral derived earths from different legs exported to the same place.

 

[telectrix]

Because it is in the HOUSE and running through the fabric of the HOUSE and in the HOUSE equipotential zone...because it’s an extraneous conductive part.....and not with a strap but with an SWA gland 134.1.1

think you need to look up the meaning of extraneous.

Extraneous-conductive-part: A conductive partliable to introduce a potential, generally earth potential, and not forming part of the electrical installation (4).9 Dec 2016

so in effect, you are saying that SWA is not part of the electrical installation???? Bollox..

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If you’re referring to Engineering Recommendation G12, I suggest you read it yourself.
The only prohibition to exporting to outbuildings is where they are or contain communication stations.

 

[Strima]

I could only get butter popcorn as they’d sold out of toffee. However I did manage to get some Doombar.

Did I miss anything?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

think you need to look up the meaning of extraneous.

Extraneous-conductive-part: A conductive partliable to introduce a potential, generally earth potential, and not forming part of the electrical installation (4).9 Dec 2016

so in effect, you are saying that SWA is not part of the electrical installation???? Bollox..

Exposed conductive-part perhaps.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

So Jcamerz (that's the OP to those who have forgotten), I think you have been given a lot of useful information in this thread on how to proceed with the work.

You may need to earth the armour or you may not. If you do earth the armour then earth it at the supply end, or perhaps not. Read the EAWR fully from cover to cover as they will offer valuable help with this installation but of course they are not for domestic installations unless carrying out the work on a friday.

Enjoy your shed supply

 

[Octopus]

ER G12 section 6. Enjoy.

£82 osg and bs7671
Maybe a stress reliever/squeeze book thing if I ask?!

Bigbob1 .... according to the forum you have only started 1 thread .... back in 2010 ....... and hardly contributed since ...... is there any wonder that people aren’t taking you seriously ?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Bigbob1 .... according to the forum you have only started 1 thread .... back in 2010 ....... and hardly contributed since ...... is there any wonder that people aren’t taking you seriously ?

I think it’s more that the opinion he is promoting is rubbish than anything else.
People disagree with me all the time, but at least I can produce Reg. Nos. and what not to back my point of view.

 

[Toneyz]

S##t I just realised my outside light is metal and connected to the MET via the CPC.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

S##t I just realised my outside light is metal and connected to the MET via the CPC.

Oh dear, you are so dead.

 

[Octopus]

I think it’s more that the opinion he is promoting is rubbish than anything else.
People disagree with me all the time, but at least I can produce Reg. Nos. and what not to back my point of view.

I have every respect for your input and detail ...... something a couple of posters on this thread could learn from .....

 

[Toneyz]

Oh dear, you are so dead.

And going to jail.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I have every respect for your input and detail ...... something a couple of posters on this thread could learn from .....

Thank you, I do try.

 

[bigbob1]

If you’re referring to Engineering Recommendation G12, I suggest you read it yourself.
The only prohibition to exporting to outbuildings is where they are or contain communication stations.

I have read it. Section 6 enjoy.

 

[Diggaboy]

So, after coming back from the pub...thinks, 'let’s have a look at emails'...'oh, one from Electriciansforums....mm, this 'swa feeding a shed' might be interesting'...'I’ll have a quick read while my tea is brewing....should be quick and to the point, with some useful info....' Jeez....what an epic...my tea was well-stewed by the end! I’m up for investing in a three-part film franchise of the thread....but who will play Bigbob1?....and will he survive into the sequel? Next week on Electriciansforum......